Wet/Dry Config

[rdomain]

Hi,

I'm interested in sussing out a wet/dry configuration but I'm not sure how to go about it. I've searched the forum and couldn't find much and didn't have much luck googling.

My understanding is one signal is your main tone and the other is 100% wet (or wet, dry, wet for a stereo config)

Have I got enough gear to experiment with this? 2:90, Recto Pre, G Major, VG88, Mesa Recto Cab.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

 

[rdomain]

I finally found some info on another forum. Possible with my gear but the only thing is sometimes I might not want ANY dry signal and mostly wet. With a W/D config, I don't think this is possible without some fancy switching system.

I might just go with a straight up stereo rig instead.

Any opinions?

 

[kmoed]

There are numerous different ways you can set this up, its just finding what works best for you. The best set up I had with this really required 2 cabinets. This way you can completely split the signal by sending a completely dry signal to one and the wet signal to another. You can do the same with a stereo cab but the wet signal can overpower the dry signal or vice versa.

With the 2 cabinets you can get a lot versatility out of the setup but for live situations you need to get whoever is running the board to mic both cab's. If you don't travel with your own sound tech this can be difficult.

You can also try adding in a small mixer to your rig. Run the dry into one channel and the wet signal into another. You can then blend the wet signal into the mix and always have your dry signal untouched.

 

[rdomain]

mmm, I could possibly try the mixer idea in my rig as I have the Repeater which can act an a mixer. So I guess the main reason to do that is to keep that pure tone there.

So I'd run
guitar to preamp in,
preamp fx send to Gmajor in
Gmajor out to Repeater track 1 in
and
preamp out to Repeater track 2 in
then
Repeater out to 2:90 to cabs.

Sound about right?

 

[kmoed]

Yep that would do it.

Keeping your dry tone always present is the main reason for separating your effects, and it is the best way to go if you can set it up without too much hassle.

 

[rdomain]

Cheers for the replies.

I tried this setup but got horrible phasing issues. I couldn't suss out a way to have the G Major run 100% wet on all patches without manually editing each separate fx block in each patch.

I might go back to serial because I did an A/B test with the bypassed GMajor signal and the dry signal..... sounded the same to me which is good so I'll probably go back to serial and continue tweaking.

 

[pjrake]

i too have been messing around with the dry/wet idea. currently, this is my setup:

i run my guitar w/ no effects to a DR 3 channel head. the only thing in front of the amp is a tuner and noise gate, that's it.

from the line out of my hotplate i run into a rocktron xpression effect unit. the out of the effect goes to the return of a fender combo amp (100W).

i use the output knob of the xpression to blend the volume of the mesa head.

i haven't played any shows yet with this setup but in the studio the band really loves the sound!

i have a video clip on youtube with this setup. you can't see the amp but you can hear the sound of the amp. granted, audio was recorded with the camcorder's mic but we're working on recording with a condenser mic and drum mics soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVDEEzyxJ9Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NsiuRCun4w

 

[t0aj15]

My current setup is a W/D/W 21 space rack rig. I have a 1-15" speaker cab in the bottom of the rack with a Mark IV head on top of that. Above the Mk IV is a Furman unit a DTR-1 tuner and at the top of the rack is a Boogie 50/50 poweramp, with a Yamaha UD Stomp efx unit sitting on top of the rack so efx adjustments are quick and easy. I plug straight into the Mk IV which drives the 1-15" dry center speaker, I use the recording out on the Mk IV to feed the tuner so it's always on, but out of the signal chain. I then use the Slave out on the Mk IV to feed the efx unit which in turn feeds the stereo poweramp and out to two Boogie 1-12" Thiele/EVM cabs. It's a very neat, very clean setup that looks and sound AWESOME.

 

[pjrake]

My current setup is a W/D/W 21 space rack rig. I have a 1-15" speaker cab in the bottom of the rack with a Mark IV head on top of that. Above the Mk IV is a Furman unit a DTR-1 tuner and at the top of the rack is a Boogie 50/50 poweramp, with a Yamaha UD Stomp efx unit sitting on top of the rack so efx adjustments are quick and easy. I plug straight into the Mk IV which drives the 1-15" dry center speaker, I use the recording out on the Mk IV to feed the tuner so it's always on, but out of the signal chain. I then use the Slave out on the Mk IV to feed the efx unit which in turn feeds the stereo poweramp and out to two Boogie 1-12" Thiele/EVM cabs. It's a very neat, very clean setup that looks and sound AWESOME.

do you use this setup live?

 

[ursinus]

This is what I do for my W/D/W Rig:

MKIV DI> TCGMajor>Simul 395> 2-1X12 Mesa Thieles with C90's

My MKIV is totally Dry, I mix the wet/dry signal in the G-major program presets. I still feed some Dry signal through the G-Major to the 395, but live I mic all three cabs and let the house blend them as necessary.

 

[cvansickle]

I'm running W/D/W with my Stiletto Ace head and a Carvin TS100 power amp.

I take the line from the effects send on the Ace to my rack effects, which includes the G-Major. The G-Major's stereo ouputs feed the two sides of the Carvin.

One 412 cab is for the dry signal, and two 112 cabs deliver the wet sound in stereo. Here's what it looks like:

 

[soundpurist]

I'm running W/D/W with my Stiletto Ace head and a Carvin TS100 power amp.

I take the line from the effects send on the Ace to my rack effects, which includes the G-Major. The G-Major's stereo ouputs feed the two sides of the Carvin.

One 412 cab is for the dry signal, and two 112 cabs deliver the wet sound in stereo. Here's what it looks like:

What about basson cabs are they less expensive than mesa boogie and better for the sound? I need 2 cab for a wet/dry/wet rig. I just ordered a carvin DCM600! BTW what are the speakers inside those cabs?

 

[cvansickle]

The Basson cabs use 75 watt Eminence Legend speakers. The construction MDF. They run for $235 at MF. I like them a lot - they're very punchy.

The big GK 412 I've had since the 80s. It has Celestions in it, but I forget which model.

 

[t0aj15]

My current setup is a W/D/W 21 space rack rig. I have a 1-15" speaker cab in the bottom of the rack with a Mark IV head on top of that. Above the Mk IV is a Furman unit a DTR-1 tuner and at the top of the rack is a Boogie 50/50 poweramp, with a Yamaha UD Stomp efx unit sitting on top of the rack so efx adjustments are quick and easy. I plug straight into the Mk IV which drives the 1-15" dry center speaker, I use the recording out on the Mk IV to feed the tuner so it's always on, but out of the signal chain. I then use the Slave out on the Mk IV to feed the efx unit which in turn feeds the stereo poweramp and out to two Boogie 1-12" Thiele/EVM cabs. It's a very neat, very clean setup that looks and sound AWESOME.

do you use this setup live?

When space allows. There are times though when I just pull the the Mk IV head and the 1-15" cab out of the rack and use and use them with a pedalboard for places where space is restricted.

 

[t0aj15]

I need 2 cab for a wet/dry/wet rig. I just ordered a carvin DCM600!

You should check these guys out, great cabs at the best prices I've found anywhere. I just got my 1-15" cab from them and I'm very pleased with it. They use 3/4" Baltic Birch on their cabs. You can buy them with Celestion V30's or you can buy them empty and install your own speakers. Their 1-12" open or closed back cabs loaded with Celestion V 30's cost $199 each.
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