Single rectifier owners

[TREC]

Hi there, I currently own a triple rectifier but am finding that it is just too loud in that I can't really use the modern mode effectively. I have been thinking about a single rectifier, I have seen some nice sounding clips on youtube. Can anyone out there give me any feedback on the SR? Would I find it under gunned in a live setting?

Thanks in advance

 

[fluff191]

Why dont you just pull 2 tubes and make it 50 watts? Then you can put the other 2 in when you need 100w ya know?

 

[TREC]

Hey there, I have a triple rectifier.

Cheers

 

[fluff191]

Oh my bad. I believe someone asked about that in another thread. And Im pretty sure you can pull 4 tubes in addition to 2 rectifier tubes. Might consult the manual on that one though.

And you didnt know what you were getting into with a 150 watt amp? :wink:

 

[lerxst88]

50 watts believe it or not isnt a whole lot quieter that 150. If you really need to tone it down maybe look into getting an attenuator.

would 50 watts be loud enough at a gig? YES! Im working at a guitar amp repair place so I get to play everything there. I recently played a Marshall JTM 45 through a boogie metal-grille cab and it was LOUD!!! and it was only 30 watts. Nowadays if youre playing at a decent venue amp volume will never be an issue (unless youre way too loud) with modern PAs and monitors you could get away with miking a Crate 15 watt amp and then you could just hear it amplified by the house monitors.

In short, pretty much any amp you buy will be "too loud" BUT you will get tons of headroom at lower volumes and thats what the triple recto is all about. The only reasons I would use to get a single recto is reverb, tone and who wants to have to replace 3 rectifier tubes and 6 power tubes every couple years? not to mention all those preamp tubes!

 

[TREC]

Thanks for your constructive advice. I have had plenty of bass amps but this was my first guitar rig. I'm going to sell my triple and get a dual so I will have the option of pulling tubes.

50 watts believe it or not isnt a whole lot quieter that 150. If you really need to tone it down maybe look into getting an attenuator.

would 50 watts be loud enough at a gig? YES! Im working at a guitar amp repair place so I get to play everything there. I recently played a Marshall JTM 45 through a boogie metal-grille cab and it was LOUD!!! and it was only 30 watts. Nowadays if youre playing at a decent venue amp volume will never be an issue (unless youre way too loud) with modern PAs and monitors you could get away with miking a Crate 15 watt amp and then you could just hear it amplified by the house monitors.

In short, pretty much any amp you buy will be "too loud" BUT you will get tons of headroom at lower volumes and thats what the triple recto is all about. The only reasons I would use to get a single recto is reverb, tone and who wants to have to replace 3 rectifier tubes and 6 power tubes every couple years? not to mention all those preamp tubes!

 

[clutch71]

A little advice from someone that owned both a Rectoverb and Dual Rec...

Yes you can pull two tubes and rectifier tube from the DR, but to me it didn't sound the same as the Rectoverb/Single Rec.

The ROV/SR just seemed to break up better and are more usable at lower volumes. The DR with tubes pulled still needed to be pushed and seemed to lose some charachter. I wouldn't rule out an SR until you can A/B it against a DR. The older two channels (Rev C-F) to my ears always sounded better without tubes pulled and through the whole volume range. Never been wild about 3 channel models and while Rev G's sound good, they can be hit or miss from how the amp responds at lower volumes and with tubes pulled.

I always caution guys who post similar posts. Go for the DR for the options (Channel assignable loop, bold/spongy, el-34/6l6 bias select; series 1 SR's did not have this option, or vacuum tubbe vs. silicone diode) rather than "I can pull tubes and bring the wattage down." Both amps are great and I'm sure you'll be happy either way. However pulling tubes does not always produce result that DR owners expect.

Best of luck

 

[TREC]

Thanks for you advice, I will try both. The tube pulling capability is not the only reason I'm interested in a dual rec, I like the other feautures that you mentioned, I have those on my triple rec. When I said about getting a dual rec so I could pull tubes I was thinking that it would be the compromise so I could get those extra features with the option of both 50 and 100watts. Its great to have a forum like this to get good advicefrom other mesa users.

A little advice from someone that owned both a Rectoverb and Dual Rec...

Yes you can pull two tubes and rectifier tube from the DR, but to me it didn't sound the same as the Rectoverb/Single Rec.

The ROV/SR just seemed to break up better and are more usable at lower volumes. The DR with tubes pulled still needed to be pushed and seemed to lose some charachter. I wouldn't rule out an SR until you can A/B it against a DR. The older two channels (Rev C-F) to my ears always sounded better without tubes pulled and through the whole volume range. Never been wild about 3 channel models and while Rev G's sound good, they can be hit or miss from how the amp responds at lower volumes and with tubes pulled.

I always caution guys who post similar posts. Go for the DR for the options (Channel assignable loop, bold/spongy, el-34/6l6 bias select; series 1 SR's did not have this option, or vacuum tubbe vs. silicone diode) rather than "I can pull tubes and bring the wattage down." Both amps are great and I'm sure you'll be happy either way. However pulling tubes does not always produce result that DR owners expect.

Best of luck

 

[DirtyNoise]

I owned a DR before and sold it to move to the SR. Now with 2 - 2x12 cabs and some tube chnages..I am WAY happier with it than the DR! The DR was nice though becasue of the 3 channels. But I never used all three when I had so go figure.

My advice.play SR somehow some way. Loud is not the issue! Getting to the tone that you like at a usable level is!