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The Magic Hoof

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I don't know much about them at all. What's the difference between the single, dual, and triple Rec and which one should I go for? I'm looking for something outside of the Mark series so I'm thinking the Rec series may be something that interests me.

I'm looking to record some high gain guitars. Is the Rec capable of playing something as high gain as death metal if necessary? How's the clean channel too? I guess I need to check out some samples somewhere.


Give me of advice and why it may be a good idea to get a Rec :wink:
 
Knowing where your coming from in the MArk Series may be beneficial. Mark IV and MarkV are pretty HI Gain as it is.

Plenty of posts on this forum on the SR, DR, TR, TOV, RK, and Roadster.

Can they do Deathmetal...Sure, but for fast tight riffing, you'll most likely need to run an OD out front to "tighten" up the rhthmns so the notes track better. I'd also recommend EL-34's.
 
Unfortunately this topic and question has been beaten to death. I would suggest visiting youtube a while to see and hear all the different videos of people using these amps.
 
Yeah, I just wanted to quick feedback on it. Over the last hour I pretty much found that it may be the amp for me.
 
I'm looking for info on which version though. Just looked through nearly all the way back in this section and didn't find a thread.

They've got the single, dual and triple Recs and as far as I know it has something to do with the power/gain. I'm recording in a home studio, take that in mind. I've also seen that they have 2 and 3 channel Recs. Not sure what's up with that, but I do like versatility. Though I really wouldn't mind just a good clean channel and a heavy rhythm channel.

What do you think would be ideal?
 
The Magic Hoof said:
I'm looking for info on which version though. Just looked through nearly all the way back in this section and didn't find a thread.

They've got the single, dual and triple Recs and as far as I know it has something to do with the power/gain. I'm recording in a home studio, take that in mind. I've also seen that they have 2 and 3 channel Recs. Not sure what's up with that, but I do like versatility. Though I really wouldn't mind just a good clean channel and a heavy rhythm channel.

What do you think would be ideal?

If your looking to do recording with a Rectifier, I would recommend using either the Single solo 50 head or the Single rectoverb solo 50 head. Its hard to really get the true sound of the dual rectos without cranking them up to push the rectifier tubes. Actually, I would say its impossible. The 50w versions are hella loud (don't be fooled by watts and power for loudness) and they sound much tighter and more articulate at lower volumes. The nice thing is that they sound incredible when cranked too so your really getting the best of both worlds. Regarding the Triple Rects - unless your playing in front of 20,000 people in an amphitheater, threes no point to them. The duals would even handle that type of venue. You'll probably regret the Triple if you got it as a lot of people do because its just to much and not necessary. You see these for sale a lot at music stores at lower prices than the duals and singles because of this.

You can't go wrong with either though. Hope this helps.
 
Roadster."!!!!!!! good clean and good high gain channels. boost it with an overdrive and your are safe and secure in the metal area. cannibal corpse , behemoth, killswitch engage and lots of other band use them
 
You know, volume actually isn't that much of a problem. The thing is that I practice at a low volume but that doesn't mean I need killer tone all the time. When I'm recording I've got to crank it to get its true, saturated tone, but that's fine as I record when no one's around.

I've heard that people prefer the 2 channel Rec to the 3 channel Rec because the 2 channel sounds better. If that's the case, I'll go with a 2 channel Rec. I'm thinking those are harder to come by though...

I think I may decide to get the 2 channel dual Rec. The Roadster looks nice and though I don't know much about it. I think it's a little out of my budget at the moment. I'll probably have hard enough time finding a dual Rec which I'm currently on the lookout for.
 
I mean... is there really THAT much of a difference between a 2 channel and a 3 channel rectifier as far as the high gain metal stuff?
 
The Magic Hoof said:
I mean... is there really THAT much of a difference between a 2 channel and a 3 channel rectifier as far as the high gain metal stuff?

In my opinion, yes. In the general public's opinion, what the heck is a mesa boogie?
 
Ohh I see. I read that there's a bit more fizzy stuff in the 3 channel rather than the 2 channel. It seems a lot more difficult to find a 2 channel dual Rec than a 3 channel, so that's why I was considering a 3 channel. I may wait out for a 2 channel dual though.
 
<------------still waiting on a Rectover series 2 head to show up
 
This may seem like a no brainer to you but check your axe first. Your tone starts there. You can definitely do death metal with a Dual provided you have the proper guitar for it. I remember one guy that tried to get a sound like Ozzie out of my dual with a Fender strat. The strat was running stock single coil pickups. Needless to say, the tone smacked a lot more of Blink 182 or GreenDay than it did of Ozzie. My Gibson Les Paul is a great guitar but it is completely useless for Metal. Any guitar like this, with passive low or medium output pickups simply sounds phat, crunchy, or chunky when running with a high gain head. It just doesn't have that metal bite to it and will get mushy and over gained when pushed harder.

If you want a screaming searing tone, you have to opt for something equipped with the proper pickups to make it work. You can run an army of pedals in front of your amp, but this is a waste of money when you can rectify the problem simply by buying an appropriate axe. I found Seymour Duncan's site very interesting. Listening through all the clips of humbucking pickups, they claim they leave the guitar the same as well as the settings on the amp. It really does sound like a Les Paul through a JCM 800 Marshall head. Anyway, it is interesting to note the massive chasm in tone between the Alnico II pro pickup and the Livewire Metal one. The Livewire Metal had such a huge overtone spectrum present that it just screamed by comparison.

In fact, if you equip your axe correctly, many amps can work for Metal. I've heard convincing metal tones out of an Orange Tiny Terror, provided the guitar pickups have enough output to tailor the sound this way. I wouldn't harp so much on the importance of your axe, but I spent a lot of hard earned money on gear before I finally realized that it was my guitar I was trying to remove from my amp. Once I figured this out, I have been much happier with my sound.

Ok, so if you have considered all this and you still want a Mesa recto series head, for a low level of BS get a Single or a 2 channel dual. If you like endless tweaking and options, get a Road King II or a Roadster. If you need an extra channel and a solo boost, get a 3 channel dual. You can mod it to cure a good portion of the channel 3 fizziness if you dislike it. If you have permanent hearing damage and only like playing music so loud that they can hear you a block away, get a Triple. I personally think a dual is a good no brainer amp because you can always yank out a pair of power tubes and a rectifier tube to get a hot sounding 50watt amp for lower volume situations. In retrospect, I'd probably like a Road King II more because I love to fiddle but having a hundred options definitely isn't for everyone.

So, just don't be afraid to dislike a recto. It may not be what you are looking for and that is fine, no matter what your friends say. Just try whatever with an open mind and you'll probably get farther ahead, hopefully finding your sound in the process.
 
Thanks a lot for that post :mrgreen:

I've definitely got the guitar thing sorted out. I've got an Ibanez guitar with Dimarzio Breeds pickups in them. The Seymour Duncan pickups I've tried have more high end and they're a bit more crunchy, they just SCREAM more than the Dimarzios that I've tried have. Luckily I've got both Dimarzios and Seymour Duncans so I can mod as I like :wink: . I like the Dimarzios for the creamy, smooth lead tone using it as a neck pickup. And I like the Seymour Duncan in the bridge for more screaming metal tone.

I think a Dual Rec may suit me well. Right now I'm looking for a huge, screaming metal rhythm tone. Not necessarily death metal now, but it'd be nice to have something that can handle it if I wanted it to. I'm looking for that 'wall of sound' metal sound. If the dual rec can handle the heavy riffs that I throw at it and in return it'll give me a huge sounding mix, then it's probably an amp for me. This is going to be predominantly for recording, and as far as I've heard thus far, the dual rec is the perfect amp for capturing the huge metal sound that I'm looking for in a mix.

If the rec can do that, then I'm sold on it.
 
Some guys here have recorded sound clips. Metaltastic runs an ibanez with a two channel dual and a tube screamer pedal.

Metaltastic said:
And here's comparison clips I made awhile ago . . . . . . . .

And I post these begrudgingly because I realize how annoying that squelching sound on the fast gallops is (a problem with my picking technique that I've since rectified), but here's a test with my Dual Rec through Recto cab:

Without TS.mp3
With TS.mp3

Again, small differences, but that annoying flub on the low notes is just sucked right out with the TS!

If you look in the Rigs and Tones forum, you can hear what some people have done with the dual there as well.

metalaxe said:

I happen to like this tone a lot!! I'm sure if you snoop around the forums, you'll get a better idea of what these amps are about.


If you want a 'wall of sound' tone, the Dual is great for that. An old bandmate of mine lovingly nicknamed my Dual the "T-Rex" because of the thunderous roar that came out of the gain channel.
 
I like the full mix above, guitar sounds really big. And this isn't so bad either!

Metaltastic said:
http://files.getdropbox.com/u/332050/2%20ch.%20Dual%20Rec%20EL34%20vs%206L6/A.mp3
http://files.getdropbox.com/u/332050/2%20ch.%20Dual%20Rec%20EL34%20vs%206L6/B.mp3
 
The Magic Hoof said:
I like the full mix above, guitar sounds really big. And this isn't so bad either!

Metaltastic said:
http://files.getdropbox.com/u/332050/2%20ch.%20Dual%20Rec%20EL34%20vs%206L6/A.mp3
http://files.getdropbox.com/u/332050/2%20ch.%20Dual%20Rec%20EL34%20vs%206L6/B.mp3

I think I like the tone for file A better. Such great highs! (I'm guessing that is the EL 34s?) I have to say I really like Metaltastic's tones. While I wouldn't have a useful application for that sort of a sound, I'd go for something similar if I was playing metal.
 

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