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mARKw

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Bugger me I just purchased a 2:90. My first Mesa.

My question is, at what volumes do you run your power amp? The other guy in my band runs his 2:50 with both volumes turned all the way up and makes volume adjustments from his preamp. Apparently that gets the tubes working and produces the best sound.

Does this sound right to you?

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Yes thats how I run my Strategy 400 poweramp. it sounds more like a head then a rack when you run things this way.

The master volume on a head usually is right before the poweramp section.
 
not totally true, the signal theory said to us that you must to get the gain forces on the first stages, for example the preamp and then adjust the volume. Think that noise is one of our worst enemies, so we must to keep our signal as clean as we can. So the idea is to get a gently signal out of the preamp because our no balanced cables could pick up all EMI interferences and then could be amplified by the power amp. So if you dope the preamp signal with a good volts the relation S/N on our cable will be very good because our signal is very strong volt and the noise is a poor mVolt, then if you attenuate the input of the power amp with the voltage divider of the gain control you will be reducing the signal and the noise, if you have a good preamp signal it doesn´t affects the noise but if you have a poor signal preamp all the stages where the signal passes through the tubes will generate a lot of noise.
Conclusion: Put the preamp output between 70-80% ( the preamp tube is also another voltage divider) and then adjust the power amp the volume that you desired.
About the totally gain on power amps and theirs benefits on the sound are only urban legends. A power amp have a fixed internal gain that makes the tubes ever amplifie the signal with the same factor. the gain control only is a voltage divider that fixed the input voltage. of course that high gain settings reduce the input less and allows the tube to achieve the higher cathode-anode input signals volts, but you could have the same effect with a great preamp output and with less noise.
one think please even if you need to dope the preamp output with a lot of guts, please try to not to saturate the outputs of preamps, because it will be worst than the noise generate.
 
You know, I tested this out at rehearsal. I tried turning the preamp volume to about 70% and adjusted the poweramp to suit. It sounded ok.

Then I turned the Poweramp all the way up with the preamp turned down to suit and it sounded sooo much better. The distortion was nice and rich and.... nice.

My only problem now is that as I turn my 2:90 up there's an annoying hum....

:?
 
Well there are a few ways to do this. The way that fatboy described was more for a solid state setup (IE PA system) where you want to match the input voltage of the power amp to the out put voltage of the mixing board. This is to cut the noise of running the power amp at full volume but just running the power amp at the max volume needed.

Tubes amps are very different because instead of having a 100% distortion free signal most users prefer to have some grit to their signal. By turning the output of the Triaxis up and the the output of your power amp down you will be increasing the signal to the input tube of the 2:90 (this would be V1 in your 2:90) to attain the same volume. So basically, what you are doing is overdriving the input of the power amp which may be adding compression and reducing the dynamics of the PA. A distorted signal at the input will directly affect how the Phase inverters work with the outputs (you could reduce your dynamics or change your tone for instance). So running the output wide open will decrease the amount of distortion at the input but you are probably increasing the dynamics that the phase inverter sees.

Once you break the signal down into how each piece can respond with the next you will be able to understand why the adjustments make a difference.

As far as I know this info is correct and if anyone has anything to add please do so.
 
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