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Currently I have this pedals infront of my amp....and this is my chain:

Wah > Whammy > Zakk Wylde OD > MXR phase 90 > Boss CE-3.

I am thinking about adding a dod fx25 envelope filter. Where should I put it? Can anyone say what would be the right order of all the pedals. I have a g-major in the loop for delay, reverb.

Thanks in advance for help
 
If it were me the EF would go after the overdrive but before the Phase 90 and Chorus.
 
not sure about the EF particularly but I would think after the overdrive. I would move the phaser to before the overdrive though...
 
Rule of thumb is to have modulation effects after overdrives.
 
Well I don't use the zakk wylde OD pedal for any distortion purpose. My setting on that is gain: 0, level: max, tone: 12 o clock. I use that when I play octave chords and the pedal adds some brightness and boost to them. Should I make the chain:

Wah > whammy > od > phaser > envelope filter > chorus?

I also have a boss tu-12 tuner in the dry out of the whammy.
 
Filters are first. Pick up the latest issue of Guitar Player. There is an article that goes into great depth about this.
 
Ya i need check that out...local gas station here I come!

so what if I setup like this

Wah > envelope filter > OD > Whammy(boss tu-12 in the dry out) > phaser > Chorus
 
vertigo_ said:
Ya i need check that out...local gas station here I come!

so what if I setup like this

Wah > envelope filter > OD > Whammy(boss tu-12 in the dry out) > phaser > Chorus

Try this:

TU-2, Wah, Envelope Filter, Whammy, OD, Chorus, Phase

If you have an EFX Loop (serial) do this:

TU-2, Wah, Envelope Filter, Whammy, OD in front of the amp
Chours, Phase in the loop.

I use both in front and in the loop and it works great. Again, this is a rule of thumb.
 
Actually the boss tu-12 is on the dry out of the whammy...therefore is not on the signal and always on. I dont like tuners on my signal path. I might try out

wah > envelope filter > whammy(boss tu-12 in the dry out) > od > chorus > phaser.

I have serial loop on my roadster. I have a g-major over there and use it for delay and some reverb work.....maybe tremelo, flanger.
 
vertigo_ said:
Actually the boss tu-12 is on the dry out of the whammy...therefore is not on the signal and always on. I dont like tuners on my signal path. I might try out

wah > envelope filter > whammy(boss tu-12 in the dry out) > od > chorus > phaser.

I have serial loop on my roadster. I have a g-major over there and use it for delay and some reverb work.....maybe tremelo, flanger.

Ah.. then it looks like you've got it.
 
Dusty Rhodes said:
vertigo_ said:
Actually the boss tu-12 is on the dry out of the whammy...therefore is not on the signal and always on. I dont like tuners on my signal path. I might try out

wah > envelope filter > whammy(boss tu-12 in the dry out) > od > chorus > phaser.

I have serial loop on my roadster. I have a g-major over there and use it for delay and some reverb work.....maybe tremelo, flanger.

Ah.. then it looks like you've got it.

Ya that might work....thanks for ur help man!
 
vertigo,

RE: "wah > envelope filter > whammy(boss tu-12 in the dry out) > od > chorus > phaser.". You've almost got it. You still need to take the chorus and phaser out from in front of the amp's preamp and put them in the effects loop. Otherwise, you've still got modulation in front of your preamp's distortion.
 
SHORT ANSWER:
After their guitar, most people like to run the following order:

Wah > Compressor > Pitch Shifter/Octaver > Envelope Follower/Auto Wah > Overdrive >
Distortion > Phaser/Flanger > Equalization > Chorus > Delay & Echo > Reverb > Looper


So, I'd have to say for your specific pedals:
Wah > Whammy > DOD FX25 > Zakk Wylde OD > MXR phase 90 > Boss CE-3

DETAILED ANSWER:
This is a perennial question on all guitar oriented forums - what order do I put my effects in? While there are some simple guidelines, there is no "right" way to do it. It's all a matter of taste & your personal tone. Let your ears be the final arbiter. The order of effects that produce the sounds most people have become accustomed to hearing is this:

Amplitude-altering effects
Pre-distortion EQ
Distortion
Post-distortion EQ
Small time delays & Phasers
Longer time delays - Chorus, Reverb, & echo


There is a rationale for the placement of each effect in this order; it goes something like this:

AMPLITUDE-ALTERING EFFECTS
As simple as your guitar's volume knob, or as complicated as fancy compressors, attack-delay or other note-shaping device. The idea here is that the basic "shape" of the note that will interact with the later distortion devices gets set for the best tone at that level. Because distortions are level sensitive, the higher the level that comes out of an amplitude device, the more it will be distorted in any following distortion devices, & vice versa. A distortion following a level changing device converts the level-altering device into a distortion-intensity modulator - & that reverts to level changes if you switch the distortion out.

PRE-DISTORTION EQ
Once again, as simple as your guitar's tone control (which is really a simple treble-cut filter) or as complicated as a parametric EQ; pre-distortion EQ sets up which frequencies are loudest - & the louder the frequency, the more that a following distortion will affect it. As I mentioned before, distortions are level sensitive devices - anything under the level at which distortion starts will be largely unaffected. Anything over the threshold will be distorted. So by boosting things we want distorted & NOT boosting things we don't want distorted, we can select the things that get distorted & have a much more animated sounding distortion. One of the most recognizable uses of this was Jimi Hendrix' use of a wah pedal (which is really a sweepable resonant filter - see the Technology of the Wah Pedal at GEO) before a Fuzz Face. A wah boosts one band of frequencies a lot, & if the levels are set right, the frequencies in the boosted range will be distorted most.

DISTORTION
The Ronco Veg-a-Matic of the sound world, distortions take whatever signal is coming in & slice it into analog coleslaw. In doing this, they add harmonics & intermodulation products that were not present in the original signal. This usually results in a hotter high end, as it adds more signal bits at higher frequencies that were originally present.

POST-DISTORTION EQ & TONE CONTROLS
Once the distortion has had its way with the signal & inserted a hash of harmonics into it, post distortion EQ can step in & select which bits out of this sonic stew get heard. As in many things musical, this started out unnoticed, just the nature of the beast. A 10" or 12" speaker in a cabinet has a frequency rolloff that starts between 4kHz & 6kHz, & is quite steep. This puts a serious cut on any real high frequency content from guitar. In fact, any "speaker simulators" are just multi-pole lowpass filters with turnover frequencies in the 4K to 6K range, & do a creditable job. Having noticed the post-distortion tone effect, we can mess with it deliberately, of course. Distortion devices make for lots of high frequency harmonics. We can cut, boost, trim, notch, & otherwise shape what the distortion device turns out. Notice that Pre-Distortion EQ changes what gets distorted in the first place. Post distortion EQ can only cut & trim on what has already been created in the distortion device. You should try it both ways - or both ways at once!. Notice that Post distortion wah sounds very different from pre-distortion wah. Try it! Anything else that does frequency shaping goes in here as well - remember the interaction of level boost-cuts with distortion.

SMALL TIME DELAYS & PHASERS
These add a spacious sound by causing multiple notches in the signal at specific frequencies. The ear is fooled into thinking it's in an acoustic space that has odd cancellations & echoes.

LONGER TIME DELAYS - CHORUS, REVERB, & ECHO.

SOME COMBINATIONS & THE RATIONALES BEHIND THEM:

COMPRESSOR BEFORE DISTORTION
Gives a "smoother" distortion sound because the signal level the distortion gets has less variation - the compressor wipes off more of the signal changes, so the distortion works mostly at one level, & the tone quality of the distortion changes less as the note decays. The disadvantage is that the hiss of the compressor is further amplified by the distortion, so this setup is noisier than either by itself.

DISTORTION BEFORE COMPRESSOR
The compressor adds little but hiss, because the distortion already sets up a fairly fixed output level. The tone quality changes as the distortion would without the compressor.

DISTORTION BEFORE TIME DELAY
The subtleties of the time delay, chorus, flange, etc. are generated after the distortion's harmonic hash, so the nuances of the delay can be heard.

TIME DELAY BEFORE DISTORTION
The distortion's harmonic generation tends to fill in the response notches the time delay created, usually less acceptable.

I hope this helps mate. In the end, only your ears can determine what your sound needs to be. Don't be afraid to experiment as the above information is only some general guidelines which are meant only from which to start! Remember, some people have an ear for Phaser before their distortion or even placing EQ up front instead of the end of the chain. Find "your" sound. In the end, the only right way is your way.

Finally, go check out my post over at Bossarea regarding Tone Loss. It covers things like breaking up a long chain of pedals to preserve your precious tone. http://www.bossarea.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3892
 
vertigo_ said:
Currently I have this pedals infront of my amp....and this is my chain:

Wah > Whammy > Zakk Wylde OD > MXR phase 90 > Boss CE-3.

I am thinking about adding a dod fx25 envelope filter. Where should I put it? Can anyone say what would be the right order of all the pedals. I have a g-major in the loop for delay, reverb.

Thanks in advance for help

I posted another post on the Zakk Wlide OD - how do you like it? I thought it was very noisy. But - I was interested in it - I got an Ibanez TS-808 instead. Do you like it?
 
the settings on my zakk wylde od is:

Gain: 0
Output: Max
Tone: 5

I don't get any noise from it....
 

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