New power tubes for Express 5:25

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kensmith

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One of the power tubes in my new Express 5:25 is going out. Must have been on for quite a while on the music shop floor. The store has offered a set of matched replacements but they were out of stock of the Mesa EL84s. They offered a set pf Groove Tubes Premium Gold matched set (GT Power range rating: Low: 3), but said that a shipment is due from Mesa this week.

The Mesa EL84s that were in the amp originally are RED code.

I have read online that it is best to stick with Mesa tubes for their fixed bias amps like the Express 5:25 for tone, durability and of course warranty.

My questions:
1. is there any harm in using other tubes, or is tone the only thing that would suffer?
2. I read a post from an amp tech stating that he has had a few fixed bias Mesas that he had to "fix" after users put non-mesa tubes in them.
3. If I were to use other brands of tubes, what is the bias rating I should be seeking? I have seen the chart below online but not sure how accurate or credible the source is:

Mesa scale Groove Tubes scale
Red 4
Yellow 4
Green 5
Gray 5
Blue 6
White 6
 
I emailed Doug at Doug's Tubes and he sent me a set of Mullard El84 reissues and they work fine it. Didn't notice any difference from the Mesa tubes. Time will tell how they work though.
 
I am wondering why the responses I am getting vs what I read online (posts and articles). There seems to be a strong sentiment to use ONLY Mesa tubes in these amps (and avoid problems requiring repair).......but yet replies to my questions are mostly "just use matched set and you will be fine...
hmmmm
 
A matched Set doesn't mean that they are selected for Mesa Fixed Bias :shock: two different specs.
 
I decided that I am going to stick with Mesa tubes to be safe....store called today and said he got a shippment in yesterday so I will swap the GTs he gave me for the Mesas.
 
Got the Mesa tubes in there and sounds great. I have the Grey EL84s and very good tone!
Ken
 

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