new line 6 amp using tubes and Bogner
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I honstly think it's just another way for Line 6 to recycle the same technology. Sure, it will probably sound better, and isn't too dear, but I'd rather have a Peavey XXX or 5150 for that money.
Rocky said:
+1 still very cool IMHO I've tried all the line6 stuff and just couldn't get past the digital tone. I'd love to have a tube amp with the Vetta features built in. If they ever could pull this off, it would scare the shi! out of all the tube Mfg. People use digital all the time in the studio's, they just run it through those tube preamps and tube ect to get the sound, why not in a tube amp head?
HA! This is like them admitting that all the previous Line 6 stuff does suck just as bad as everybody said it did!!! 
:shock: :lol: "All the vintage tones at your fingertips" :roll: At that price point, it has got to be a Chinese amp, hope the lead poisoning doesn't creep up the cord into your fingers Gotta watch your kids, they are always chewing on amps and stuff :lol: :lol: I can't wait to go into Guitar Center and blow one up right in the store!!! :twisted: I do hope Mr. Bogner gets through this with his reputation intact, he builds a fine amplifier. Maybe they will surprise me? :shock: :roll:
:shock: :lol: "All the vintage tones at your fingertips" :roll: At that price point, it has got to be a Chinese amp, hope the lead poisoning doesn't creep up the cord into your fingers Gotta watch your kids, they are always chewing on amps and stuff :lol: :lol: I can't wait to go into Guitar Center and blow one up right in the store!!! :twisted: I do hope Mr. Bogner gets through this with his reputation intact, he builds a fine amplifier. Maybe they will surprise me? :shock: :roll: This does say something about their previous products doesn't it?
If their modeling tech is so good why are they using tubes now?
I've gotta say I absolutely love the Line 6 stuff... for practicing and recording demos.
I've had a Toneport for a while now and I think it's great but I doubt I would ever play out live with any of their stuff. Anyway this new spider is probably a nice little piece of kit but I'm sure I would take a Boogie or an old Marshall over it any day.
If their modeling tech is so good why are they using tubes now?
I've gotta say I absolutely love the Line 6 stuff... for practicing and recording demos.
I've had a Toneport for a while now and I think it's great but I doubt I would ever play out live with any of their stuff. Anyway this new spider is probably a nice little piece of kit but I'm sure I would take a Boogie or an old Marshall over it any day.
Anomaly said:
yea but i'm hoping for an all tube Vetta III, they have done nothing with the Vetta for a long time. I love my tubes my Mesa's,fenders and marshalls, but if they can pull it off with a vetta III (with tubes) I'm in.
It appears the Spider Valve is essentially a DSP preamp going into a "cascading gain stage 12AX7" then into a 12AX7 phase splitter into a 6L6 power section.
Considering tube amps are more popular than ever, this is a great marketing move by Line6 and Bogner.
Probably just warms up the tone a little and still has the feel issue with analog to digital conversion.
You could do the same thing they've done but better with a POD XT Live going into a tube amp.
Considering tube amps are more popular than ever, this is a great marketing move by Line6 and Bogner.
Probably just warms up the tone a little and still has the feel issue with analog to digital conversion.
You could do the same thing they've done but better with a POD XT Live going into a tube amp.
Mr_You said:
Mr You is on it! it's all about the dollars, right? I don't care how or why, i just want them to get it done. Does anyone else hope that they can get it done? (tubes and digital) Sometimes it seems like we (tube guys) don't want it to happen.
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This is gonna be interesting. The first time I messed with a Podxt I was blown away with how far they've come in digital modeling (especially for studio work), but when put in a live situation they never gave the feel of a tube amp. If they can get this to work, I'll be happy.
Anomaly said:
I really doubt that is the case, they are not going to load old programs (that is what the models are) into an amp that the are putting so much press and time into promoting.
The models will be Vetta class, just like the models were on the regular spider.
If IK Multimedia built an amp, or a pre, based on the Amplitube 2 modeling I would give it a serious shot.
In Amplitube 2 the effects are pretty poor and the presets they ship are mostly rotten, but if you dial your own tones and have real low latency the response of the models is extremely nice, miles ahead of the Line6s stuff I have played. The speaker/cab/mic modeling is really good as well, less options than Line6 or NI Guitar Rig but what there is is a lot better.
I wish the modelers would try to get a few things working really well instead of the million-half-assed-tones-in-one-box approach. I'd pay $500 for a half-space unit that does 12 cab sims that would fool an engineer.
In Amplitube 2 the effects are pretty poor and the presets they ship are mostly rotten, but if you dial your own tones and have real low latency the response of the models is extremely nice, miles ahead of the Line6s stuff I have played. The speaker/cab/mic modeling is really good as well, less options than Line6 or NI Guitar Rig but what there is is a lot better.
I wish the modelers would try to get a few things working really well instead of the million-half-assed-tones-in-one-box approach. I'd pay $500 for a half-space unit that does 12 cab sims that would fool an engineer.
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^^ I agree totally nailing a few amp models instead of 12. Lately I haven't been able to crank the amps at home( my wife gave birth to our daughter) so a modeller would be ideal for at home jammin but from my past experience with Line 6 and Valvetronix is in the end I'd rather have a tube amp anyways. I know it sounds crazy that this is my preference but I just never have felt comfortable with the feel of modelers. So at home I put up with the fizz and focus on the feel/inspiration. I play an Ace/Lonestar so its not that bad at lower volumes but no where near the fire when their cranked. This new amp does have my attention though :lol:
so a modeller would be ideal for at home jammin but from my past experience with Line 6 and Valvetronix is in the end I'd rather have a tube amp anyways. I know it sounds crazy that this is my preference but I just never have felt comfortable with the feel of modelers. So at home I put up with the fizz and focus on the feel/inspiration. I play an Ace/Lonestar so its not that bad at lower volumes but no where near the fire when their cranked. This new amp does have my attention though :lol:
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Well, this is new territory for amps, and I think it's gonna take a bit to perfect it, but this is a great start (hopefully). If this thing gives the feel of the tubes live, and 32 settings for different tones and f/x, plus give the great sounds and clarity in the studio, this really will be a great tool.
Sorry, but from what I can tell this is nothing new.
Its a digital-single tube hybrid preamp going into a tube poweramp.
Nothing to see here, its been done before, this is just good marketing for both companies.
Its a digital-single tube hybrid preamp going into a tube poweramp.
Nothing to see here, its been done before, this is just good marketing for both companies.
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Mr_You said:
+1
for a while i tried the XT.
at first, yeah, it's neat to have all that processing power...
but then reality starts to creep in..
it doesn't feel right.
after a while, it doesn't sound right.
and when you plug back into the real rig, you go 'whoa, what was i thinking'!
LOL
i had the pod XT and the best tones i got out of it, where when i bypassed the cab sims, the mic sims, and output it directly to power amp.
then i took my mesa mark IIb, and i went out of the XT into the return input of the boogie, bypassing the boogie preamp, basically using the boogie as a power amp only.
THAT sounded really good!
running the soldano sims, the Insane sims, and the blackface sims, sounded really good...
not authentic at all, but a great sound, with the boogie giving it the real feel...
but it seems like a long way to go to get to that point.
is the spider going to be able to give you girth and 3d sound, at stage volume?
like a shiva?
still, for guys that are touring with cover bands and things like that, having to hit a lot of tones that are not necessarily 'signature tones', i think this is cool stuff.
but i sold my pod, and bought a barber direct drive and tone press.
voila!
at first, yeah, it's neat to have all that processing power...
but then reality starts to creep in..
it doesn't feel right.
after a while, it doesn't sound right.
and when you plug back into the real rig, you go 'whoa, what was i thinking'!
LOL
i had the pod XT and the best tones i got out of it, where when i bypassed the cab sims, the mic sims, and output it directly to power amp.
then i took my mesa mark IIb, and i went out of the XT into the return input of the boogie, bypassing the boogie preamp, basically using the boogie as a power amp only.
THAT sounded really good!
running the soldano sims, the Insane sims, and the blackface sims, sounded really good...
not authentic at all, but a great sound, with the boogie giving it the real feel...
but it seems like a long way to go to get to that point.
is the spider going to be able to give you girth and 3d sound, at stage volume?
like a shiva?
still, for guys that are touring with cover bands and things like that, having to hit a lot of tones that are not necessarily 'signature tones', i think this is cool stuff.
but i sold my pod, and bought a barber direct drive and tone press.
voila!
