NuSkoolTone said:
Newysurfer said:
Actually I thought it was the "one trick pony" guys who were on the quest. There's been a lot of moaning on this forum from people who don't own this amp. That's one of the reasons Pyro made the recordings and posted this thread. I never mentioned anyone by name Nuskool so you're obviously very touchy about the whole thing. And if you find my comments offensive then you're obviously very easily offended. :lol:
Fair enough. The reason I brought this up is because those that own the express (And kept it) seem to be on the other extreme, telling those who didn't like it that they can't dial in an amp or are just metal heads. I think it's pretty well established if you're a metal guy the Recto is the First Mesa to check out. It's as if since we didn't like it then we must be uneducated or deaf...
FWIW, if there's any quest the one trick pony guys are on it's to get the message to boogie they were disappointed in the Express. I mean really who wouldn't have LOVED a small portable amp with lonestar cleans and reverb coupled with a chunky near recto gain channel (F-Series) with a hint of markish lead thrown in? Not to mention the other bells and whistles. The Express is advertised as such, but it's not even close IMHO.
Many just expected Mesa to take the Express in the OPPOSITE direction it did (Which was IMO the next logical step to "improve" the F series) and were disappointed. Obviously the Express fills a market, but not the one that I personally look to boogie for. In that regard I doubt I'm alone.
I hear ya Nuskool - we've got no argument and I totally agree with you about other Mesa amps being far superior for metal tones. There does seem to be technical limitations with what can be achieved in guitar amps though and this has led to the trade-offs we're experiencing. Mesa has not been traditionally known for it's clean or crunch tones. It's largely been producing what many people think are specialist high gain amps (or 1 trick ponies as I call em). Likewise, the clean specialists like Fender & Vox have had great clean tones but are very ordinary with distortion.
Your dream amp as you've described it sounds great. I'd luv the same thing. But it doesn't appear to be technically possible in 2007. No one amp maker or, one amp, has been able to nail superlative clean, crunch, OD, distortion & metal tones. If it was technically possible lots of amp makers would have done it already. They can't, so that has directly led to the whole technology/industry of analog and digital pedals.
Mesa can't make a "one amp does everything great" either, but they wanted to improve their reputation in the clean, crunch, OD area and so have produced the Lonestar and the Express series in the past few years. It's also a smart business move cause they'll sell a lot more amps that way. The metal tone guys are only a tiny part of the total market for guitar amps so if you wanna make big profits you go for the middle ground. Mesa already have the metalheads anyway with the Rectos etc. That's the marketing reason for the Express IMHO and it's a dam good reason.
Lastly, yeah so Mesa have done some false advertising about the Express. I wouldn't expect anything else from any Corporation so why does that bother you. And if you guys feel the Express is a total failure for you fine - then tell Mesa Corp - it's got nothin to do with Express owners. All we did was buy an amp.
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