no soul said:
Lastly, yes it does blow away Mesa cabs. Especially if you like rock. The 1960 has a much tighter low end response, which will doesent fart out, and a much more defined high end reponse.
Trust me, you're one of the only people you will ever hear say that unless you're listening to those are overly dedicated to Marshall. What you call a "more defined high end," many people would call "thin and shrill." There's a difference, and that's exactly what those horrible G12T-75 speakers are.
no soul said:
Mesa recto cabs are ALL midrange, which is cool if you do NOHTING but solo. Not to mention they are f%&# overpriced!!! You can get the SAME exact cab that Mesa makes, just done up by Marshall, same speakers and all, for hundreds less than the Mesa version.
Mesa cabs are NOT built better, unless you count the tolex. Marshall tolex sucks sucks sucks! It looks tough, but its rips easily. Marshall contruction on cabs is very very good. To bad their amps fall apart easily.
Let me dispute virtually everything you said. Have you ever played with one of these cabs? Mesa cabs are FAR from all midrange, although they will provide you with more than a 1960A cab which has very little in it. In fact, the hollow sounding 75's in the 1960A can work against you at times in a full band setting. But hey, what guitarist wants to cut through the mix and be heard anyway?
As far as price...how can you say Mesa is overpriced? Have you looked at the prices of Mesa and Marshall cabs recently? The 1960AV, which is the equivalent of the Mesa cab, costs
MORE than the Mesa cab. So if you think the Mesa cabs are overpriced, then you must
really think Marshall is charging too much these days considering they charge even more!
And as far as getting the same cab...not even close. You should really research what you're talking about. I don't mean to sound critical of you, but you're basically spurting off opinions here and trying to call it fact. Different construction, different speakers, etc. Here's some info for you:
First of all, Mesa cabs are made of 14-ply Baltic Birch and have steel handles and jack plates. But of course, I guess the plastic ones Marshall use are
surely as durable. I don't know about you, but if I'm lifting a 100lbs+ cab, I think I'd rather do it with something a little more durable than plastic. Mesa uses rough leather corners than take wear, versus the plastic corner tips Marshall use which constantly get broken. Mesa uses custom built, smooth rolling Trak-Lock castors versus (again) the cheaper standard bolted castors that Marshall uses. And the tolex...it doesn't even get any cheaper than the paper thin tolex Marshall uses. The slightest bumb will tear holes in the tolex of those things. Mesa cabs uses a durable tolex that you literally have to beat to rip. A Mesa cab have a mere scuff in the tolex from the same impact that would rip a portion of Marshall tolex. It's just higher quality. There's also the now plastic name plates that are used for logos and in corners with stickers on them that identify the cabs versus Mesa, as well as the lesser quality piping they've switched to from recent years. With all the plastic and stickers on those cabs, are you sure you're not buying a toy?
And the speakers...don't even get me started. The speakers in Marshall and Mesa cabs are drastically different. Here's an overview of why. First off, Marshall now gets their Celestions from the newer Chinese factory, which many players have complained about the quality of. These speakers are made using newer adhesive methods which have additional tone altering properties to them. Mesa, on the other hand, was originally shipped some from the same Chinese factory, and guess what? Those Celestions did not meet their quality standards, and they refused to use them. So, all of Mesa's Celestions are still made in the England factory using old-fashioned, air-dried adhesives, which have different tone altering properties to them.
So, when you buy a Marshall cab these days, you're buying a cab loaded with Celestions that Mesa rejected because of quality issues. Plus, Mesa cabs come loaded with 8 ohm speakers, versus the 16 ohm speakers that Marshall cabs have. For those unaware, 8 ohm speakers will provide a crisper attack and tighter sound than 16 ohm variations.
So, to recap...when buying a Marshall cab these days, you're buying a cab that's made with speakers Mesa rejected because of poor quality (and 16 ohm instead of 8 ohm) that's loaded into a lesser constructed housing with paper thin tolex, plastic handles and plastic corner tips, a plastic name plate and sticker clad plate in the corner, off set by loosely glued cheaper piping...
AND you pay
MORE money for it. Sure, that sounds like a good idea to me, don't you think?
no soul said:
And asking about which cab is better on a Mesa forum is pointless, of course the Mesa is going to win. Ask on a Marshall forum which is better, and guess which one is going to get the most votes?
Again, you're wrong. I own both a Mesa Dual Recto and a Marshall JCM 800. I used to own a Mesa 4X12, and 2 Marshall 4X12 (B and a BV). The Mesa is the only one around these days. When I posted on a Marshall forum, I told them the exact same thing, and many people agreed with me, despite it being a "Marshall" board. I don't preach about Mesa because this is a Mesa forum. I just tell it like it is, regardless of where I'm posting.
