Mesa Boogie Electradyne VS Marshall JCM2000 DSL

[skunizzi]

Hi Guys,

I have an Electradyne right now, but the other day I played a Marshall JCM2000 and I liked what I heard. Now don't get excited. I'm not saying that the Marshall is better than the Mesa, but I was getting some very nice tones out of the Marshall. From clean to dirty and back. I must say that I was actually impressed buy its tonal flexibility and I'm not a real Marshall guy.

Has anyone tried the JCM2000 and what are your thoughts about it compared to the Electradyne?

 

[Laskyman]

Personally, these are two very different animals- Marshall has more gain on tap but less focus- the cleans on the Marshall are not evenin the same league- not a fair fight in my opinion. I think Mesas build quality is generally superior....nice Marshall though if that is your thing...

 

[YellowJacket]

I think the JCM 2000 is really Marshall's answer to the Dual Rectifier, which is basically designed off of a hot rodded Marshall platform in the flavour of a Soldano SLO. As such, I find it has a lot of overlap with a Dual Rectifer except with more of a Marshall Flavour. In fact, I find I can dial in almost identical tones between my Dual with EL-34s and the JCM2000. They don't sound the same, but there is overlap.

The Electra Dyne is a different beast. The Distortion is much more of the hotrodded Plexi vintage. It is way more creamy, less harsh, and buzzy / gainy. Oh, and the cleans are absolutely mind blowingly EPIC! I LOVE THEM!

 

[danyeo1]

I think the JCM 2000 is really Marshall's answer to the Dual Rectifier, which is basically designed off of a hot rodded Marshall platform in the flavour of a Soldano SLO. As such, I find it has a lot of overlap with a Dual Rectifer except with more of a Marshall Flavour. In fact, I find I can dial in almost identical tones between my Dual with EL-34s and the JCM2000. They don't sound the same, but there is overlap.

The Electra Dyne is a different beast. The Distortion is much more of the hotrodded Plexi vintage. It is way more creamy, less harsh, and buzzy / gainy. Oh, and the cleans are absolutely mind blowingly EPIC! I LOVE THEM!

You do realize that Marshall was making the JCM800 long before the Rectifier or Soldano SLO ever showed up right?

 

[screamingdaisy]

I think the JCM 2000 is really Marshall's answer to the Dual Rectifier, which is basically designed off of a hot rodded Marshall platform in the flavour of a Soldano SLO. As such, I find it has a lot of overlap with a Dual Rectifer except with more of a Marshall Flavour. In fact, I find I can dial in almost identical tones between my Dual with EL-34s and the JCM2000. They don't sound the same, but there is overlap.

The Electra Dyne is a different beast. The Distortion is much more of the hotrodded Plexi vintage. It is way more creamy, less harsh, and buzzy / gainy. Oh, and the cleans are absolutely mind blowingly EPIC! I LOVE THEM!

You do realize that Marshall was making the JCM800 long before the Rectifier or Soldano SLO ever showed up right?

You do realize he was talking about the JCM2000 and not the JCM800, right?

 

[Bullseye]

The DSL is a great amp but too middy for me an cleans suck… If I had some extra disposable income lying around I would buy the Marshall Vintage modern not the Jcm 2000 DSL/or tsl… to run in tandem with my Dyne… the older I get the more harsh el 34’s sound to me..the kt66’s sound great.. the VM is not as full sounding as the ED but is a nice rig all in all

Bill

 

[YellowJacket]

JCM2000 has too many mids!?

In my experience, the thing has tonnes of tone shaping potential. I find the EQ knobs to be very active on it and there are about three different buttons that can be used to further tweak the tone circuit. I have heard some absolutely heinous scooped tones come out of a Marshall, so much so that all you really heard was highs and lows. But ya, like I said, the JCM2000 series amps are right smack in the middle of high gain amplification.

You do realize that Marshall was making the JCM800 long before the Rectifier or Soldano SLO ever showed up right?

HAHAHA!! Ok, I'll bite: JCM 800 modded for high gain and tweaked a bit = Soldano SLO. Soldano SLO modded and tweaked a bit = DUAL RECTIFIER. Marshall then says "OSHI" and realizes that people are making $$$s off of hotrodding their amp design so they first release a JCM 900 and then when people realize it doesn't have enough gain, they release the JCM2000. Soldanos are absolutely incredible sounding distortion amps. Clear and phat like a chainsaw with no mud. The only possible reasons the Dual Rectifier gained notoriety as the stock NU Metal amp was because it was $1,000 cheaper than a Soldano and it has a good clean tone.

I don't think either the Dyne or the Vintage Modern compare with a JCM2000. VERY different amps!

 

[>Photi G<]

HAHAHA!! Ok, I'll bite: JCM 800 modded for high gain and tweaked a bit = Soldano SLO. Soldano SLO modded and tweaked a bit = DUAL RECTIFIER. Marshall then says "OSHI" and realizes that people are making $$$s off of hotrodding their amp design so they first release a JCM 900 and then when people realize it doesn't have enough gain, they release the JCM2000. Soldanos are absolutely incredible sounding distortion amps. Clear and phat like a chainsaw with no mud. The only possible reasons the Dual Rectifier gained notoriety as the stock NU Metal amp was because it was $1,000 cheaper than a Soldano and it has a good clean tone.

So true! But here's the full story- Fender invents the Gold Standard=5F6A Bassman. Marshall copies the bassman, replaces the GZ34 with diodes, and the JTM45 is born. 8 years later, Randy takes the bassman, adds 2 extra gain stages, and we have the Mark I. Marshall says "We can do hi-gain too!" and they roll out the JCM 800, which is more or less, a "Marshallized" Mark I. Then, YellowJacket's story comes into play.

IMO, the Dyne is a "Big Brother" to the Transatlantic, as it has a great, spanky Fender clean tone, and a Fender Reverb, then, a Modded Plexi gain thing in Vintage Lo, and JCM800 gain in Vintage Hi.

 

[screamingdaisy]

IMO, the Dyne is a "Big Brother" to the Transatlantic, as it has a great, spanky Fender clean tone, and a Fender Reverb, then, a Modded Plexi gain thing in Vintage Lo, and JCM800 gain in Vintage Hi.

Stop it. I had my gas under control....

 

[>Photi G<]

Stop it. I had my gas under control....

That makes two of us... :x

 

[Laskyman]

[quoteIMO, the Dyne is a "Big Brother" to the Transatlantic, as it has a great, spanky Fender clean tone, and a Fender Reverb, then, a Modded Plexi gain thing in Vintage Lo, and JCM800 gain in Vintage Hi][/quote]

Oh, its more than just the "big brother"...its the big brother who had the hot girlfriend, good grades, super strong- but didnt need to show off....

 

[>Photi G<]

Oh, its more than just the "big brother"...its the big brother who had the hot girlfriend, good grades, super strong- but didnt need to show off....

:lol:
Stop. The GAS is getting worse!

 

[sted]

DSL's are great amps but can be pushed a bit too far, as with most Marshalls they have tonnes of gain but its not always wise to max the gain in favour of volume!

Gigged with my dyne last night, just wow! Simplicity itself this thing but sounds monstrous, never missed a beat either (More than can be said for my old MV to be honest!) Just a great rock n roll amp this for a gigging musician. Using a providence stampede over the blue channel is amazing for a lead boost as well, sounds good over the red too but started getting a bit of feedback even with the low output of my strat.

 

[jab]

I've owned both ED and JCM2000 DSL. Totally different amps, and I liked them both. ED far superior on the clean side of things, but I preferred the crunch tone on the DSL (probably too many years of listening to Scorpions, Ratt, etc.). I thought the JCM2000 DSL's sounded pretty similar to the Stiletto I owned. ED was just a different beast altogether. ED overdrive channel came across to me as bold, authoritative, very articulate. Marshall a bit more compressed and crunchy. Not that one is better than the other, just a style thing. I'm currently on to a Marshall Vintage Modern and so far it's my favorite amp I've owned but it's a one channel deal. You find your tone and use your guitar vol knob to vary degrees of overdrive/volume. Very old school KT66 60's/early 70s design and hard to get used to, but fun once you get there.

I do have a JCM2000 DSL50 for sale (mint) if interested.