Mark III demo

[Facelift]

same amp, same settings, not gonna sound the same? ok man, whatever you say. :lol: By posting the "exact" settings, someone else who wanted to toy with thier mark III could use what you used as a base and adjust from there. I like the djent? tone myself, as well as the others. I dont normally dig throwing distortion pedals in front of my amp but the tube screamer really did something to the III in that clip but hey, if you really want to keep your "exact" settings to yourself, then thats cool.

 

[kwirk]

Don't have to listen to me. Ask anyone. We may have the same amp, but we don't have the same set up. Different tubes, different guitars, everything. The smallest thing will change your tone slightly. My mid knob doesn't even do anything, so how are you supposed to use the same settings? Base your settings on others', and go from there. You don't have to be so hostile bro. I don't have these settings written down anywhere. The description I gave you is all that I kept in my head - a general idea of how to get it. The amp settings I have now aren't even the same as they were yesterday. I practically changed them around after recording these clips because I constantly tweak things. If you don't know how to tweak your amp from a certain point to get a certain achievable tone, maybe you should learn how to.

 

[Anonymous]

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[ziggys]

Kwirk:
Thanks for taking the time to respond and thanks for the clips.
I am a new Mesa III owner and Mesa Newb in general. Never had such a hard time with an amp before. Cleans are great but the fabled Lead OD seems impossible at this stage.
I have ordered new Mesa tubes and they should be here this week and hoping for the best although now looks like Winged C is the way to go.
I am hoping to try 4 6l6 (its a simul) or whatever it takes but money is running out and any advice for the better is priceless.

Thanks again

 

[kwirk]

Kwirk:
Thanks for taking the time to respond and thanks for the clips.
I am a new Mesa III owner and Mesa Newb in general. Never had such a hard time with an amp before. Cleans are great but the fabled Lead OD seems impossible at this stage.
I have ordered new Mesa tubes and they should be here this week and hoping for the best although now looks like Winged C is the way to go.
I am hoping to try 4 6l6 (its a simul) or whatever it takes but money is running out and any advice for the better is priceless.

Thanks again

No problem man. What seems to be the problem with the lead channel?

 

[kdorsey]

...I dont normally dig throwing distortion pedals in front of my amp but the tube screamer really did something to the III in that clip...

A quiet (read: modded) TubeScreamer works wonders in front of my MkIII and use it every gig. I also have a Fulltone FullDrive2, though very similar, delivers a different vibe and sound amazing too. Don't be afraid or ch3 arrogant (I used to say the same thing. "There's no need for any pedals, ch3 has more gain than anything out there!") to add quality pedals to spice up all three channels. An OCD + ch2 gives buzzsaw results without having to completely re-EQ the amp during a gig. Stomp in, stomp out. But if you only play one style/genre, this may not matter to you.

...I am a new Mesa III owner and Mesa Newb in general. Never had such a hard time with an amp before. Cleans are great but the fabled Lead OD seems impossible at this stage...

Welcome to the club, ziggys! A MkIII is sometimes a tough nut to crack. It takes time and patience to come up with the perfect combo of EQ, speakers, and tubes to squeeze out the bliss that we know is in there. Kwirk is right, though. You can use the exact same tone/EQ settings as someone else and yield totally different results. But they are nice templates to use as a starting point. Lemme see what I can scrounge up, but first, what music genre do you play? Are you looking for a rhythm or lead tone? Why did you buy the MkIII and what artist or tone were you pursuing with this purchase?

 

[Facelift]

Don't have to listen to me. Ask anyone. We may have the same amp, but we don't have the same set up. Different tubes, different guitars, everything. The smallest thing will change your tone slightly. My mid knob doesn't even do anything, so how are you supposed to use the same settings? Base your settings on others', and go from there. You don't have to be so hostile bro. I don't have these settings written down anywhere. The description I gave you is all that I kept in my head - a general idea of how to get it. The amp settings I have now aren't even the same as they were yesterday. I practically changed them around after recording these clips because I constantly tweak things. If you don't know how to tweak your amp from a certain point to get a certain achievable tone, maybe you should learn how to.

I know how to dial in my III just fine and IMO have a killer tone at the moment. I do find if I like someone else sound they are getting out of thier III, its much easier to just ask for the settings and dial them right in instead of fiddling around for hours. I would much rather be right in the vacinity and adjust from there instead of playing guessing games. I know, tubes, cabs, ect. will give you slightly different tone but since that being besides the point, the knobs on a III work the same on all of them so to say that if I used the same knob settings would achieve different results is untrue if standing right in front of the amp. Not being hostile whatso ever about this, jsut saying that Im not worried about the little nuances that change tone, just the settings.

kdorsey: Like I said before, Im not much into pedals. What mods are you referring to with a tubescreamer?

to the OP: was your tubescreamer modded on the djent clip? Also, are all the clips on soundclick your mark III?

 

[ziggys]

To Kwirk: Sorry about the delay. Finally got a day off. Lead channel, at its best, sounds worse than your first clip in "should my MK III sound like this". I really thought I was making progress till I heard that. I did find an old Tungsram 12ax7 that I put in V3. It is getting better the more I fiddle with it. Man, there are 2 examples in the manual that are really close. Close to what?....

kdorsey: Thanks for the welcome. I was wondering if anybody was actually using a pedal and just not mentioning it. Desperate thinking for a desperate man. Pedals do love this thing tho.
I'm mostly a Hendrixy Claptonish old dude but I sure LOVE that metal CHUNK CHUNK thing. I don't know if it's new metal or what. I was looking for that same guitar sound by that horrible band Limp Bizkit or early Korn. Let the bashing begin!! It's like a wall of sound, with every string separated but blending into a totally new force. Crisp but saggy.
I have tried the SD1 trick. not so hot. Bought a Bad Monkey on sale. It bit the children and shat on the carpet. Now I'm just going straight in for the time being.

Also it looks like the guy I bought this thing from didn't play it much and it has the Mesa EL34 STR 442's and mesa 6l6GC str 430's. From what I hear on this board I don't think the new ones I'm getting are going be any better.
BTW: The manual looks to be written on a typewriter! It also has a hand drawn Mesa schematic. I also found a typewritten letter from June 22, 1987 that's actually signed in ink by Randall Smith.

I agree with each amp's settings being different but am appreciative of any starting points that want to be shared.

I will try to figure out how to get an audio clip attached so you guys can see where I'm at so far..

Thanks again

 

[Neptical]

These settings are pretty aggressive and do the djent extremely well. Even though it's more about the attack and rhythm of your playing, having the right choice of tools (pickups,speakers,tubes) really defines the sound alot, and it certainly takes experience as a player.

 

[kdorsey]

Here's an example of tonal irony. This setting is pretty much my main gigging setup. It's very flexible and takes to my few pedals perfectly. But I' mostly playing classic rock stuff in these bands, so I need diversity. It's a far cry from djent! :lol: But with minor exception, the tone shaping is close to identical. Spooky!!

kdorsey: Like I said before, Im not much into pedals. What mods are you referring to with a tubescreamer?

I use a Keeley Mod Plus TS-9. It's noiseless, more flexible, gain-wise, and I had it converted to true-bypass. Nice stuff.

 

[boogietone]

That was great! Now I wish I still had my MKIII.
Thanks for the clips.

 

[kwirk]

I know how to dial in my III just fine and IMO have a killer tone at the moment. I do find if I like someone else sound they are getting out of thier III, its much easier to just ask for the settings and dial them right in instead of fiddling around for hours. I would much rather be right in the vacinity and adjust from there instead of playing guessing games. I know, tubes, cabs, ect. will give you slightly different tone but since that being besides the point, the knobs on a III work the same on all of them so to say that if I used the same knob settings would achieve different results is untrue if standing right in front of the amp. Not being hostile whatso ever about this, jsut saying that Im not worried about the little nuances that change tone, just the settings.

kdorsey: Like I said before, Im not much into pedals. What mods are you referring to with a tubescreamer?

to the OP: was your tubescreamer modded on the djent clip? Also, are all the clips on soundclick your mark III?

Like I said, the settings I gave you are are the vicinity of what I used. I didn't write them down or anything, and I've already changed them so I don't have the exact settings to give you.

My tubescreamer isn't modded. I use it as a clean boost (as a lot of other metal players do) - it's not even near a distortion pedal. Tone and level controls were at 10, gain was at 0 on the pedal. Most of the other clips on my soundcloud are a 5150.

Here's some more tone action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyaRyx2NKu8

I already posted 2/3 of the clips in the video on here, but there's a Lamb of God section in the middle that I didn't post here. I was going to do some more lead stuff, but my GEQ kept going out and I was getting pissed. Haha.

 

[Facelift]

I know how to dial in my III just fine and IMO have a killer tone at the moment. I do find if I like someone else sound they are getting out of thier III, its much easier to just ask for the settings and dial them right in instead of fiddling around for hours. I would much rather be right in the vacinity and adjust from there instead of playing guessing games. I know, tubes, cabs, ect. will give you slightly different tone but since that being besides the point, the knobs on a III work the same on all of them so to say that if I used the same knob settings would achieve different results is untrue if standing right in front of the amp. Not being hostile whatso ever about this, jsut saying that Im not worried about the little nuances that change tone, just the settings.

kdorsey: Like I said before, Im not much into pedals. What mods are you referring to with a tubescreamer?

to the OP: was your tubescreamer modded on the djent clip? Also, are all the clips on soundclick your mark III?

Like I said, the settings I gave you are are the vicinity of what I used. I didn't write them down or anything, and I've already changed them so I don't have the exact settings to give you.

My tubescreamer isn't modded. I use it as a clean boost (as a lot of other metal players do) - it's not even near a distortion pedal. Tone and level controls were at 10, gain was at 0 on the pedal. Most of the other clips on my soundcloud are a 5150.

Here's some more tone action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyaRyx2NKu8

I already posted 2/3 of the clips in the video on here, but there's a Lamb of God section in the middle that I didn't post here. I was going to do some more lead stuff, but my GEQ kept going out and I was getting pissed. Haha.

sweet. is that a 60/100 or simul?

 

[ziggys]

I am, ahem, rolling the new Mesa Tubes as we speak. So far, the older EL34 442 are winning over Mesa's new EL34 447. New ones are louder but lacking the refinement and slight compression the hotter things get (volume,tone etc) Guitar player speak, "The old ones sound longer than the new ones." Ha ha try to figure THAT out.
Also finding that eliminating string buzz seems to help but not possible with every guitar
Can't wait to try these new settings out !!!!!