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Killtone

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F.A. d'Andrea? :?

I ordered a pair because they were so inexpensive that it is probably worth the gamble.

If you have heard of them: did they make their own tubes or re-label someone else's?

Thanks
 
If you post some closeup pics of the bottle top, bottom, and sides I would be honored to try to identify the maker.
 
Cool. Thanks. They are in transit to me now. I should have them by early next week. I'll post some pictures as soon as I get them.

FYI: from what I have been able to dig up F.A. D'andrea made art deco radios that are very collectable now (called FARA). The company went broke in the 1930's. So these tubes are probably really old.
 
OK, no chance to take pictures yet, but I just got the tubes and part of the mystery is solved:

One says by Amperex on it. It also has creases in the glass under the sillver (top) part of the tube and says "Made In England" on it.

The other says "Made in West Germany". Also has some creases in the top and the plates are longer in it than the other by about 1/8".

Do you need pictures or are there enough clues here?

Thanks
 
On the Amperex, is there an acid etch on the side near the bottom of the bottle that has a capital B on the second line? If so it is a Mullard, made in Blackburn, England, if the etched code has a right triangle beginning the second line it is Amperex made in Heerlen, Holland.

On the german one, are the plates smooth or do they have ribs and is there a diamond molded in the glass between the pins? If there is a diamond it is a telefunken, ribbed or smooth plates, if the plates are long, ribbed or smooth, and there is no diamond in the bottom you probably have a Siemens.

Top drawer stuff there, way to go!
 
Thanks for your wisdom Mav!

On the Amperex, I can't find any etching. There is a printed code on the lowe half: 42A3 and a number above that code that I can't quite read looks like 185

On the German one, no diamond between the pins, but there is an M. I'm not sure how to describe the plates. There is a pattern in the middle flange that looks like a ladder with 3 rungs - in fact, both tubes have that.

By the way, I saw some detailed pictures of an Amperex Bugle Boy and the Amperex looks exactly like it. But it does say Made in England on it so it must be a Mullard?

Thaks again for sharing your knowledge.
 
Hi again Killtone,

Wisdom? :roll: It's more like obsessive compulsion disorder, but thanks for your welcome compliment! :wink:

Check out the RCA 12ax7 thread in the tubes section if you haven't yet and take a look at the link to "tube classics" one of the posters included there, I'm sure that will help also. Shredd's posts there are visually and factually illuminating.

Would still enjoy seeing pics of your new tubes, that would be the best if possible (if not too much a pain in the ass for you to do.) That would help, I'm not sure from your description whether you have short or long plate tubes. Short plates are approximately 15mm in length, long plates are 17mm. If a ruler is not handy, the short plates appear to be about equal in length to the width of the bottle, the long plates appear to be longer than the bottle is wide. The ladder with three rungs you mention is called a ribbed plate. The ribs are there to stiffen the plates and hopefully reduce microphonics. Take a look at a Telefunken smooth plate on Ebay, you will see long plates with no ribs.

Yes, there is such a thing as Amperex labeled Mullards. The acid etch tells all. I have several of them. Mine have a slightly fatter sound similar to the Mullard 10m 12ax7's and Philips lableled 12ax7a/7025a's, along with a similar purplish deposit inside the bottom of the (well-used) bottle from the startup flash common to those three types. Most flash marks tend to a silver-gray color in the Amperex, Mullard, and Philips shortplates I have.

Amperex, Philips Miniwatt, Philips, Mullard, and Siemens were all owned by their parent company, Philips at one time. There are subtle differences in the designs, but there is a "Philips family tone" to the tubes with similar constructions. The short plate ones tend to be more lower mid-bassy, the long ribbed plate ones tend to more upper mid-top end detail. Later on, Matsushita purchased the shortplate tooling from Mullard, and made tubes, the "Japanese Mullards" with the 45 degree angled getter flash are VERY well made and have the family tone, although it is brighter on top, even more so than the shortplates coming out of the Heerlen, Holland Amperex family, the Japanese Mullards are one of the great values in vintage tubes today on ebay.

I have also noticed a particular "family tone" in the Raytheon blackplate 12ax7's, 5751, 12at7, and 12au7 as well.

Does the German tube's getter ring have one support or two? Siemens generally have two supports, but not always. Also, I have seen vintage Siemens shortplate 12ax7's on ebay with Mesa silkscreening. The Siemens shortplate types are my faves for tones out of the Philips family of shortplate 12ax7's. Siemens also made a triple mica shortplate top end quality 12ax7 to compete with the Telefunken ecc803s, the Siemens is called e83cc/12ax7wa. Have several in Siemens and Philips labeling. They are spendy, but not nearly as much as the 'funkens that go for 400+ bucks apiece nowadays. I like to think that Siemens might have been pretty cocky about their tubes, as the mathematical "not equal" sign etch code suggests, get it, no equal... ;)

Peace.
 
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