Silverwulf
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I have a Mesa 4X12 (Traditional, Straight) w/well broken in V30's and a late 1976 Marshall 4X12 (Straight) cab w/55hz G12H 30 "Blackbacks." I'll run it as a full stack and let you know what I think sometime... :mrgreen:
Has anyone tried the Vintage 30/G12H30 With their recto?
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erectifier
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IMO mixing drivers in your guitar cab is voodoo engineering. I think that you might be able to gain benefit doing it as an X formation in a 412 or something but even then your always going to have to mic up both speakers and pan them to play or record the sound your hearing - and the sound your hearing in your bedroom will not be what people hear in front of the stage. People on one side would hear all v30 the other side would get mostly c90.
YellowJacket
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Silverwulf said:
Its going to sound like epic win had babies!
erectifier said:
Live tone is never the same as studio tone anyway. I personally like the added 'thickness' of blending speakers. It makes the distortion tone more rich and complex. When you think about it, guitar speakers generally have a very similar 'voice' with subtle differences between them. The effect is really that of creating a 'pseudo stereo' tone from a mono amp.
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The sound you get through the PA at a gig is never the same as that you get in front of your cabinet anyway, no matter what mix (or not) of speakers or how many of them there are.
Because the sound that goes out through the PA is coming from a close mic right in front of the speaker cone, which is very different from the sound of the whole cab from even a few feet away. The mic itself (which probably 75% of the time or more will be an SM57) has a noticeable inherent frequency response characteristic as well. Then, the soundman may try to EQ the PA sound to be like the stage sound... or more likely he will just EQ it so it sounds right to him and for the mix, irrespective of the original tone. If you want to hear why it's just better to do this and not worry about the 'true' tone, put your ear right where they put the mic and listen to it
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Even in the studio, it's normal to close-mic the cab on only one speaker - although they quite often do put mics further away as well to get the sound of the whole cab and a bit of room ambience.
So if mixing speakers makes your cab sound the way you want it to when you listen to the whole cab, there's no harm in doing it - it won't mess up anything that isn't going to be messed up anyway! It does at least give you the option of micing one speaker or the other - and the best ones to mic aren't always the ones you think sound best to your ears either. One of the reasons V30s are so popular is that they just naturally work well with SM57s.
Because the sound that goes out through the PA is coming from a close mic right in front of the speaker cone, which is very different from the sound of the whole cab from even a few feet away. The mic itself (which probably 75% of the time or more will be an SM57) has a noticeable inherent frequency response characteristic as well. Then, the soundman may try to EQ the PA sound to be like the stage sound... or more likely he will just EQ it so it sounds right to him and for the mix, irrespective of the original tone. If you want to hear why it's just better to do this and not worry about the 'true' tone, put your ear right where they put the mic and listen to it
.Even in the studio, it's normal to close-mic the cab on only one speaker - although they quite often do put mics further away as well to get the sound of the whole cab and a bit of room ambience.
So if mixing speakers makes your cab sound the way you want it to when you listen to the whole cab, there's no harm in doing it - it won't mess up anything that isn't going to be messed up anyway! It does at least give you the option of micing one speaker or the other - and the best ones to mic aren't always the ones you think sound best to your ears either. One of the reasons V30s are so popular is that they just naturally work well with SM57s.
