Has anyone tried the Vintage 30/G12H30 With their recto?

[ElectricTurkey4369]

I'm going to take out a v30 from my Mesa 2x12 and try out this combo I heard about. Adding the G12H is supposed to add some more bottom end and warmth. I also heard Vintage 30s with Classic Lead 80s are good too.

 

[screamingdaisy]

Just a heads up that a G12H/V30 mix in a 2x12 only handles 60w.

I haven't tried the mix myself. Although I'd like to some day.

 

[ElectricTurkey4369]

Just a heads up that a G12H/V30 mix in a 2x12 only handles 60w.

I haven't tried the mix myself. Although I'd like to some day.

I'm using a single recto anyway. Also, V30s are 60watts. My 2x12 is 120 watts.

 

[nocluejimbo]

Just a heads up that a G12H/V30 mix in a 2x12 only handles 60w.

I haven't tried the mix myself. Although I'd like to some day.

I'm using a single recto anyway. Also, V30s are 60watts. My 2x12 is 120 watts.

A mix of 2 speakers with different wattage handling will only take 2 times the lower wattage, though. The G12H30 is a 30 watt speaker, ie. 2 x 30 watts = 60 watts.

 

[b0nkersx]

Just a heads up that a G12H/V30 mix in a 2x12 only handles 60w.

I haven't tried the mix myself. Although I'd like to some day.

I'm using a single recto anyway. Also, V30s are 60watts. My 2x12 is 120 watts.

A mix of 2 speakers with different wattage handling will only take 2 times the lower wattage, though. The G12H30 is a 30 watt speaker, ie. 2 x 30 watts = 60 watts.

Right. It'll send 30 watts to each speaker regardless of the "available wattage".

 

[screamingdaisy]

Right. It'll send 30 watts to each speaker regardless of the "available wattage".

It'll send half the wattage available to each speaker, so if it's a 100 watt amp each speaker will get 50w.

Which is a moot point anyway because the OP has a Single Recto.

 

[b0nkersx]

Ah, ye, you're right, my mistake.

 

[ElectricTurkey4369]

Thanks for the clarifying the wattage issues guys. :lol:
I'm a noob when it comes to all this stuff, but I'm slowly learning it. :mrgreen:

 

[jamme61]

I have this combo V30 and 12H in a THD 2x12 cab. sounds fantastic IMHO I'm running a Tremoverb into it. I have another 2x12 that I run a Greenback and 12H and that sounds fantastic too but is a little overpowered by the tremoverbs low end.

 

[YellowJacket]

I run a Vintage 30 and a G12m Heritage in a thiele 2 x 12 with my Recto. Now I have to yank half the power tubes and a rectifier tube so I don't overpower the speaker, but I personally LOVE the vintage crunch of the g12m combined with the tightness and articulate character of the v30. I tried a Dr Z Z Best Cab (thiele 2 x 12) with a v30 and a G12H 30. When ABing them, the cab with the G12H 30 has more phat lows and more articulate highs with a bit more scooped character to the sound. Otherwise it is pretty similar. GREAT tones!!

 

[ElectricTurkey4369]

I run a Vintage 30 and a G12m Heritage in a thiele 2 x 12 with my Recto. Now I have to yank half the power tubes and a rectifier tube so I don't overpower the speaker, but I personally LOVE the vintage crunch of the g12m combined with the tightness and articulate character of the v30. I tried a Dr Z Z Best Cab (thiele 2 x 12) with a v30 and a G12H 30. When ABing them, the cab with the G12H 30 has more phat lows and more articulate highs with a bit more scooped character to the sound. Otherwise it is pretty similar. GREAT tones!!

Cool man, thanks for the info. :mrgreen:
I found someone on Kijiji selling an H30 for $100! I was just wondering what to expect from this combo. how well does this combo handle high gain situations? I was reading some threads on other websites and some people were saying the Classic lead 80's with V30's sound more atriculate and handle gain better...

 

[screamingdaisy]

I run a Vintage 30 and a G12m Heritage in a thiele 2 x 12 with my Recto. Now I have to yank half the power tubes and a rectifier tube so I don't overpower the speaker, but I personally LOVE the vintage crunch of the g12m combined with the tightness and articulate character of the v30. I tried a Dr Z Z Best Cab (thiele 2 x 12) with a v30 and a G12H 30. When ABing them, the cab with the G12H 30 has more phat lows and more articulate highs with a bit more scooped character to the sound. Otherwise it is pretty similar. GREAT tones!!

Cool man, thanks for the info. :mrgreen:
I found someone on Kijiji selling an H30 for $100! I was just wondering what to expect from this combo. how well does this combo handle high gain situations? I was reading some threads on other websites and some people were saying the Classic lead 80's with V30's sound more atriculate and handle gain better...

If CL80s are anything like the MC-90 (I know they're not identical sounding, but share a similar lineage) then they don't have a whole lot of top end going on. They do have treble... just not a lot of upper treble. This is good for smoothing out high gain buzz and sizzle. Only problem I've had with them (MC-90s) was that they didn't have the punch of V30s, but that could've been because the one I was using was in an open back cab.

The MC-90 also has a lot of low midrange and bottom end, which compliments the V30 well because the V30 has almost no bottom end and very little low midrange. I haven't combined the two yet, but together the MC-90 should form a thick wall of sound with the V30 providing the punch and definition.

 

[YellowJacket]

Cool man, thanks for the info. :mrgreen:
I found someone on Kijiji selling an H30 for $100! I was just wondering what to expect from this combo. how well does this combo handle high gain situations? I was reading some threads on other websites and some people were saying the Classic lead 80's with V30's sound more atriculate and handle gain better...

What sort of a tone do you want? What do you mean 'handle gain better'?

I'm actually building a c90 / v30 closeback cab sometime soon. I've tried the Road King 2 x 12, I've tried the Dr Z Z Best Cab, and I've also tried mine with the v30 and G12m.

G12H 30s and G12ms both have more 'cone wobble' in the sound, similar to G12T 75s. You get added crunch from the speakers and it gives it much more of a vintage character to the sound. I find that by themselves, they add a lot of distortion to the tone but I find for my style, v30s are too tight so one of each is a great compromise.

First thing, what is your style? If you want metal distortion, the amp does almost all the work with the preamp providing most of that. You require tighter speakers that are crisp, fast, and responsive. If you want rock, speaker rounding can really smooth out the tone and eliminate fizzies. As the speakers break up, the added distortion allows you to turn down your gain, especially for rhythm playing. My favourite approach with this is to roll back my volume knob for crunch and crank it up for searing lead playing. (I got the idea from ScreamingDaisy)
The g12m / g12H speakers are very warm sounding whereas a v30 and c90 is very cold. I'd say the v30 / c90 combo is, dark but apparently that means 'dull' to some people. If I was to assign a colour to that tone, I'd say 'blue' or 'black'. Perhaps other words I'd use for G12M / G12H are Brown, Woody, or 'British'.

Secondly, some things to consider:
1)Speaking of gain handling in general, I'd say gain handling or speaker clarity is directly proportional to the total wattage handling capability of the cab you're running. i.e. if you are running a fullstack with g12ms, you can run a dual through that for metal and it should sound pretty tight and defined. I also find that the amazingly TIGHT v30s sound much less so in a solitary 1 x 12 than they would in a 4 x 12.

2)Consider how efficient your speaker enclosure is. If you are cranking up the bass, you'll get fart from g12ms morso than g12Hs. With the thiele design, the cab is VERY efficient so I can turn the bass down considerably which places much less demand on the speakers thereby retaining clarity and tightness. v30s + G12Hs in a 4 x 12 will give you less speaker crunch than you'd get with a v30 and G12H in a 2 x 12.

3) What VOLUME are you playing at? Are you using a 2 x 12 for rehearsals or gigs, or just home practice. My 2 x 12 handles 50watts which is great for some things, but I am not blind to its limitations. I'm building a c90 / v30 cab because that gives me a VERY similar tone to a v30 loaded cab but without the same aggressive highs; and more importantly, it can handle 120watts. The c90 / v30 combo is VERY similar to v30s alone but with the added benefit of a more balanced tone across the frequency spectrum. This will be great for situations where I run a 2 x 12 with 100watts and REALLY crank the thing! It will also be good for heavier tones. I think in this situation, I'd run my amp with 4 6L6s and dial in a very modern COLD tone. With the G12m / v30 combo, each speaker has a VERY distinct voice so they complement eachother to give a very thick and 3D almost stereo effect to gain tones. In my speaker enclosure, each speaker has a separate compartment which minimizes frequency cancellation, also giving a more distinct voice to each speaker. Anyway, different strokes for different folks.

I guess you need to listen / try gear and see what you like. Try a bunch of cabs and see which brand / speaker models attracts you.

 

[ElectricTurkey4369]

Cool man, thanks for the info. :mrgreen:
I found someone on Kijiji selling an H30 for $100! I was just wondering what to expect from this combo. how well does this combo handle high gain situations? I was reading some threads on other websites and some people were saying the Classic lead 80's with V30's sound more atriculate and handle gain better...

What sort of a tone do you want? What do you mean 'handle gain better'?

I'm actually building a c90 / v30 closeback cab sometime soon. I've tried the Road King 2 x 12, I've tried the Dr Z Z Best Cab, and I've also tried mine with the v30 and G12m.

G12H 30s and G12ms both have more 'cone wobble' in the sound, similar to G12T 75s. You get added crunch from the speakers and it gives it much more of a vintage character to the sound. I find that by themselves, they add a lot of distortion to the tone but I find for my style, v30s are too tight so one of each is a great compromise.

First thing, what is your style? If you want metal distortion, the amp does almost all the work with the preamp providing most of that. You require tighter speakers that are crisp, fast, and responsive. If you want rock, speaker rounding can really smooth out the tone and eliminate fizzies. As the speakers break up, the added distortion allows you to turn down your gain, especially for rhythm playing. My favourite approach with this is to roll back my volume knob for crunch and crank it up for searing lead playing. (I got the idea from ScreamingDaisy)
The g12m / g12H speakers are very warm sounding whereas a v30 and c90 is very cold. I'd say the v30 / c90 combo is, dark but apparently that means 'dull' to some people. If I was to assign a colour to that tone, I'd say 'blue' or 'black'. Perhaps other words I'd use for G12M / G12H are Brown, Woody, or 'British'.

Secondly, some things to consider:
1)Speaking of gain handling in general, I'd say gain handling or speaker clarity is directly proportional to the total wattage handling capability of the cab you're running. i.e. if you are running a fullstack with g12ms, you can run a dual through that for metal and it should sound pretty tight and defined. I also find that the amazingly TIGHT v30s sound much less so in a solitary 1 x 12 than they would in a 4 x 12.

2)Consider how efficient your speaker enclosure is. If you are cranking up the bass, you'll get fart from g12ms morso than g12Hs. With the thiele design, the cab is VERY efficient so I can turn the bass down considerably which places much less demand on the speakers thereby retaining clarity and tightness. v30s + G12Hs in a 4 x 12 will give you less speaker crunch than you'd get with a v30 and G12H in a 2 x 12.

3) What VOLUME are you playing at? Are you using a 2 x 12 for rehearsals or gigs, or just home practice. My 2 x 12 handles 50watts which is great for some things, but I am not blind to its limitations. I'm building a c90 / v30 cab because that gives me a VERY similar tone to a v30 loaded cab but without the same aggressive highs; and more importantly, it can handle 120watts. The c90 / v30 combo is VERY similar to v30s alone but with the added benefit of a more balanced tone across the frequency spectrum. This will be great for situations where I run a 2 x 12 with 100watts and REALLY crank the thing! It will also be good for heavier tones. I think in this situation, I'd run my amp with 4 6L6s and dial in a very modern COLD tone. With the G12m / v30 combo, each speaker has a VERY distinct voice so they complement eachother to give a very thick and 3D almost stereo effect to gain tones. In my speaker enclosure, each speaker has a separate compartment which minimizes frequency cancellation, also giving a more distinct voice to each speaker. Anyway, different strokes for different folks.

I guess you need to listen / try gear and see what you like. Try a bunch of cabs and see which brand / speaker models attracts you.

Wow, thanks for all the info.
By handle gain better, i want a sound that doesnt get fizzy, and is crunchy.
I play a lot of styles, mostly Metal and Progressive (Tool, Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree, Alice in Chains, blues (Think SRV).
I dont play at extreme volumes, I dont gig either so its mostly an at home and recording setup.

 

[YellowJacket]

Wow, this is interesting.

**don't play at extreme volumes** **don't gig**

Well, you'll have to experiment to see what works for you. IF you want good tone at low volumes, my first vote goes to 2 g12m 25s or g12m Heritage, depending what you can afford. They are lower efficiency speakers which means you can get the head working harder before the cab gets REALLY loud! G12ms have a creamy / woody sort of crunch but they are a bit loose. v30s honestly add fizz. While they ROAR at higher volumes, they sound constipated at low ones. Another possible suggestion would be to combine g12T 75s with g12ms to get a bit more raunchy or ugly of a tone. This will also give tonnes of speaker crunch but will emphasize the highs and lows a bit more.
The problem is that you just don't know until you try. You might hate the looser speakers. v30 + c90 mitigates but does not eliminate the fizz. They also are more efficient speakers so they are LOUDER! I have also found that ridiculously low volumes just simply sound fizzy, at least with a recto.

Try the v30 with a G12H 30 for a start. I'm interested to hear if this clicks for your or not.

 

[ElectricTurkey4369]

Wow, this is interesting.

**don't play at extreme volumes** **don't gig**

Well, you'll have to experiment to see what works for you. IF you want good tone at low volumes, my first vote goes to 2 g12m 25s or g12m Heritage, depending what you can afford. They are lower efficiency speakers which means you can get the head working harder before the cab gets REALLY loud! G12ms have a creamy / woody sort of crunch but they are a bit loose. v30s honestly add fizz. While they ROAR at higher volumes, they sound constipated at low ones. Another possible suggestion would be to combine g12T 75s with g12ms to get a bit more raunchy or ugly of a tone. This will also give tonnes of speaker crunch but will emphasize the highs and lows a bit more.
The problem is that you just don't know until you try. You might hate the looser speakers. v30 + c90 mitigates but does not eliminate the fizz. They also are more efficient speakers so they are LOUDER! I have also found that ridiculously low volumes just simply sound fizzy, at least with a recto.

Try the v30 with a G12H 30 for a start. I'm interested to hear if this clicks for your or not.

I dont know if its just me, but my amp sounds better at lower volumes. It sound so bad at high volumes. The sound gets flabby and looses all its tightness. It gets really boomy. besides that, I'll try the g12H combo first since i can get it for $100. I dont really want to buy two new speakers because I like the V30 but i just need some more warmth, and something that blends well with with v30, since I'll probably buy an Avatar cab eventually for a different speaker combination.

 

[screamingdaisy]

Warehouse Guitar Speakers... their Reaper is similar/the same as a G12H.

 

[ElectricTurkey4369]

Wow, this is interesting.

**don't play at extreme volumes** **don't gig**

Well, you'll have to experiment to see what works for you. IF you want good tone at low volumes, my first vote goes to 2 g12m 25s or g12m Heritage, depending what you can afford. They are lower efficiency speakers which means you can get the head working harder before the cab gets REALLY loud! G12ms have a creamy / woody sort of crunch but they are a bit loose. v30s honestly add fizz. While they ROAR at higher volumes, they sound constipated at low ones. Another possible suggestion would be to combine g12T 75s with g12ms to get a bit more raunchy or ugly of a tone. This will also give tonnes of speaker crunch but will emphasize the highs and lows a bit more.
The problem is that you just don't know until you try. You might hate the looser speakers. v30 + c90 mitigates but does not eliminate the fizz. They also are more efficient speakers so they are LOUDER! I have also found that ridiculously low volumes just simply sound fizzy, at least with a recto.

Try the v30 with a G12H 30 for a start. I'm interested to hear if this clicks for your or not.

Well i put in the G30 with the V30 and it sounds REALLY good. It has this "3D stereo" effect sound, and it sounds thicker to my ears. But i have a question...
After I put in the speaker and plugged in my amp, the speakers started buzzing, and they never did before. Is this common when putting in new speakers, or is my solder joint not strong enough?

 

[YellowJacket]

Well, I'm assuming the speakers are tight enough? You can tighten them too tight but maybe they are too loose? What about back panel of the cab? I hope you didn't end up with a blown speaker!!

 

[ElectricTurkey4369]

Well, I'm assuming the speakers are tight enough? You can tighten them too tight but maybe they are too loose? What about back panel of the cab? I hope you didn't end up with a blown speaker!!

Well they're in there tight. The guy that sold me speaker just took it out of his new cab, it's not even fully broken in. Also to add, my speaker started picking up radio signals and I was hearing it through my speaker.