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JacksonUSA

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anybody has that preamp ?

I hear a lot of good things about this preamp but not a lot or reviews on the distorted tones
 
are there things in particular that you found the preamp section to miss or not do well ?

I'm floating between a Mark IV, Axe Fx, Deliverance and the new London Power Aurora if it's any good when it comes out
 
Lately I've been reading Hunter's Guitar Amp Handbook and amptone.com about poweramp distortion and the use of poweramps in general. They generaly say that "great" tube tone comes from the poweramp section rather than the preamp stating that preamp distortion sounds stiffer.

So from that I don't really know what to think. I haven't played a digital amp that I liked, however, most people who like the Axe-Fx didn't like digital amps either. Also, most people think that original patches on the Axe-Fx aren't too good and need to be worked on or better yet, make your own patches.

So I don't know how much harmonics tube amps produce compared to this preamp. Also, I often read that any master-volume or any amp that doesn't really allow you to crank the poweramp is kinda of a diluted distortion. So I'm thinking, let's say I was to buy a lower wattage poweramp that I could crank and use the Axe-Fx to go with it, what would be the end result. It's kinda what gets me interested in the London Power amp is because it's lower wattage you can crank them to get the best out of them at normal volume unlike most 100 watt amps.

... sorry if the post isn't clear, I don't master any of this, I'm reading bits here and there ...
 
guitarmaster said:
JacksonUSA said:
They generaly say that "great" tube tone comes from the poweramp section rather than the preamp stating that preamp distortion sounds stiffer.

This is true. Tube amps need to work at high volume (to crank poweramp tubes) but you can get good tones also at "normal" volume. If you play in a bedroom for practice, for example, 100 watts tube head is too LOUD, but also 50W, because the difference between 50 W and 100 w is only 3db. Also a 15 watts tube amp could be very loud. For example Mesa 20/20 tube poweramp is real loud also if it's only 20W+20W. The best tube sounds are obtained cranking the power amp tubes, but as I have already told, you can achieve good tones also at normal volumes .

btw, I'm in a rock/metal band and we'll start doing some small goings indoors and outdoors and some studio someday, so I won't be using it much for home use, it will be for performance mainly. Hunter mentions in his book that the most effective (in his opinion) amps in studio and live performances are 20 some watt amps so the Mesa 20/20 was the poweramp that I immediately thought of that might fit well, so that's where I am in amp search. It's not all about to Axe-Fx or not to Axe-Fx, it's also how much wattage is better suited for what I need. I don't see too many amps that you can really crank and get the most out of them without blowing up mics or even the amp itself. So if the 20/20 or some other poweramp could be even better for what I need I won't hesistate to get one even though it doesn't say 1 trillion gigillion watt on the amp.
 
how much can you crank a Mark IV without burying everybody else in the room/stage or blowing up stuff in studio or at least not maximizing the gear ?

I know it's a little less powerful than a SLO but in RMS I don't know how much it comes down to.
 
+1 on the VHT. Personally, I love the 50/2/50 and would use that with the Fractal Axe-FX. I also have a pair of Mark IV's and LOVE, yes LOVE them. I would NOT trade that tone for anything. The thing is, as has been said, YOU have to decide what works for you. I have found the Mark IV's to be very playable and usable at various volumes. There is a big question here about how you want to be set-up. I mean a Fractal and a VHT will fit into a 4 space rack and it's a done deal. Of course you need a cab as well, but you could use ANY cab then. Same with the Mark IV, if it's a head, you can choose any cab. If you choose Mark IV combo, then you are choosing a different speaker (open back cab) and will get a different tone. You could however, run it with other speakers as well.

Bottom line, I suggest you try out a couple different things. The choices you are faced with, aren't the worst in the world. I mean Fractal + VHT or Mark IV, both will give you some GREAT sounds. You are definitely into the realm of personal preference at this point. I can't help you choose, because I didn't, I have it all :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Honestly, not the Fractal, yet. However, I have coupled my PodXt Pro with the VHT 50/2/50 and I enjoy that tone quite a bit...waiting for the $$ for Fractal. The VHT makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE!!! However, it simply can't get the Boogie tones. So, why compromise :wink: Find a way to get everything, or choose one and get the rest when you can.
 
Jackson,

Getting info from the net can be a good thing, but you really have to take the answers with a grain of salt, unless you really know that the person you are getting your info perceives tone exactly the same as you do.

With that said, I am on the list to try an Axe, I am skeptical a bit, but too many well qualified players are propping this unit for me to dismiss it.

Here is a clip of a post from an actual Axe user. Hopefully he doesn't mind me ripping it from another site.

This is from M. Gilbert of Severed Saviour, there is a link to a clip at the bottom, but I don't know if it is still good?

"The Axe-FX can definitely do it. It's "modeling" abilities are leaps and bounds above anything else you can buy, period. Also, the effects section is world class. Eventide's are known as the industry standard for top of the line effects processors. And the Axe-FX is as powerful, if not more so than Eventide units.
But we're talking about the preamp aspects here. So, let's get back to that.
The Axe-FX not only sounds like a real amp, but it also FEELS like a real amp. Which is where other modelers fail miserably. It also cuts through well in a band situation. Another area where most modelers fall short. There is a large variety of high quality amp models to choose from. Not only are there clean models, crunch/low gain, and high gain. But there are several of each. All have unique characteristics/tone and feel.
This unit is extremely programmable/tweakable. If you want it to be simple, it is. But if you want to get into some serious tweaking. You can do anything you want. In the amp sims alone, you can adjust things such as plate voltages, tonestack frequencies, tonestack location, transformer low frequencies/high frequencies, and the list goes on. Not only does it do amp simulation, but there is power amp simulation, drive pedal simulation, cabinet simulation, and mic simulation (many of each catagory you can choose from, or blend multiple different types).
For example, you can blend 2 different amp models, 2 different types of speaker cabinets, 2 different types of mics per cabinet sim, etc. You can pan any of them any way you want, even adding a controller which is pick attack activated that will pan across between 2 different amp/cab/mic combinations depending on how hard you hit the strings, or have it activated by a number of other factors. As you can see, this is getting ridiculous. But like I said, you can do anything you want with this box.
Bottom line is, this unit was designed by a fucking GENIUS who is a guitar player, that wanted to have a unit that tailors specifically to guitar players needs, whatever they may be. Also, he is constantly updating the software which is available for download. The updates include new features like amp models, effects parameters, fixes, etc. and he does these based on feedback from the community of Axe-FX owners. He has actually fixed a thing or two based on my feedback personally. So as you can tell, I'm extremely happy with the unit and the continued service I will receive for it.
I should also point out that the Axe-FX SHOULD cost about $3000.
But thankfully, this is a very small company that has no desire to sell out to big businesses. He makes very little money per unit, and spends zero on advertising. Which means the $1400 price tag of a standard unit is a steal.
Yeah, the waiting list sucks. I had to wait 6 months for mine. But it is worth it.
Anyways, having said all that. I still use my Engl e570 preamp and Engl 850/100 poweramp live, with the Axe-FX just for effects. If the Axe-FX had an Engl SE model (which is what my preamp is) I would consider switching to the Axe-FX as a preamp. But for now, I do prefer the Engl preamp just slightly more than the Axe-FX when playing live.
But the Axe-FX is more than capable of doing it all, and doing it extremely well. And the VHT 2/90/2 (which I previously owned) would be an excellent match for it. KT88 tubes are very sterile as far as power tubes go, and they reproduce faithfully what you put into them with little coloring.
I hope that all made sense. If you have any other questions about it, just let me know. In the meantime, I suggest you download the manual so you get a better feel for what the unit is capable of. Because I only discussed the tip of the iceberg.
Also, on my bands next cd we are currently recording, I only used the Axe-FX for all guitars. Recorded direct to pc, and the outcome is quite good.

Here is a sample....
http://www.zshare.net/audio/4539205ad52098/"


The good thing about Fractal is the 30 day policy....don't like it ..send it back.
 
Doesn't do distorted tones?

Check out www.myspace.com/periphery - whole album done with an axe-fx.

Also check out a band called "animals as leaders" - axe-fx as well.

Amazing tones. Amazing versatility.
 
I would have never dreamed of replacing my tube amps and cabs with modeling crap... until I started lugging all my expensive and heavy gear around to shows. Something to be said for just showing up with a guitar and Axe-Fx.
 

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