Dual Rectifier vs. Roadster (Haggerty's Video)

[fluff191]

Thought I would share a fantastic video Don from Haggerty's made of the 2 Rectifier amps.

I think it is a fantastic video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbAbCLZrxG8



I actually am not a huge fan of how the Roadster sounds in this video. Its REALLY dark. Really dig the 2010 Recto though.

 

[YellowJacket]

In the video, channel 4 vintage is particularly dark (roadster). It would probably do certain lead tones very well. The 2010 recto is was more up front and aggressive.

 

[screamingdaisy]

Vintage and Modern high gain requires different presence pot values. It's been like that from the beginning with the Orange channel being optimized for Vintage while the Red channel was optimized for Modern.

One of the changes they made to the 2010 Recto is the addition of a ganged presence pot, so the presence pot is always the correct value regardless of channel and whether the amp is in Raw/Vintage or Modern. It's why the 2010 sounds correct on all three modes in both channels whereas the Roadster sounds f*cked up in the Orange/Modern and Red/Raw-Vintage pairings.

If you compare the Roadster where it's optimized it's a little more fair of comparison. In the clips the 2010 tends to sound a bit thinner, smaller and more aggressive while the Roadster sounds thicker, bigger and is a bit smoother. The Bigger/Smaller probably has to do with volume, since the Roadster is pushing more mids than the slightly more scooped sounding 2010 Recto.

I mention this because that clip will turn people who don't know the details of Rectifier evolution off of a Roadster, when the thicker/smoother sound may actually be the better choice for them.... although if you want to use two channels of Raw/Vintage or two channels of Modern the 2010 has an obvious advantage over the Vintage/Modern split of a pre-2010 Recto.

 

[joe web]

great video again! thanks for this.
if it comes to compare some mesa heads, nothing can beat Don´s videos.

Vintage and Modern high gain requires different presence pot values. It's been like that from the beginning with the Orange channel being optimized for Vintage while the Red channel was optimized for Modern.

One of the changes they made to the 2010 Recto is the addition of a ganged presence pot, so the presence pot is always the correct value regardless of channel and whether the amp is in Raw/Vintage or Modern. It's why the 2010 sounds correct on all three modes in both channels whereas the Roadster sounds f*cked up in the Orange/Modern and Red/Raw-Vintage pairings.

If you compare the Roadster where it's optimized it's a little more fair of comparison. In the clips the 2010 tends to sound a bit thinner, smaller and more aggressive while the Roadster sounds thicker, bigger and is a bit smoother. The Bigger/Smaller probably has to do with volume, since the Roadster is pushing more mids than the slightly more scooped sounding 2010 Recto.

I mention this because that clip will turn people who don't know the details of Rectifier evolution off of a Roadster, when the thicker/smoother sound may actually be the better choice for them.... although if you want to use two channels of Raw/Vintage or two channels of Modern the 2010 has an obvious advantage over the Vintage/Modern split of a pre-2010 Recto.

+1

red channel modern on the roadster is killer but needs some adjustment to get it sounding like a dual recto.
the major difference seems to be the poweramp section of the amps. the dual recto solohead (had the older 3 channel verison) is lot more scooped compared to the poweramp of the roadster.
back in those days, i used both amps in stereo with A/B of the preamp sections, i could hear the difference of the poweramps very clear.

btw:
here is a clip of our upcoming CD, all guitar sounds you hear are recorded with the roadster head with EL34 power tubes.
Morbid Sky - Goodbye Testmix

 

[Nomad100]

if you want to use two channels of Raw/Vintage or two channels of Modern the 2010 has an obvious advantage over the Vintage/Modern split of a pre-2010 Recto.

Great insight. One of the main reasons I bought a new Recto (2011 model) is that I really like channels 2 and 3 being pretty much clones of each other.

I like my rhythm and lead sounds to be almost the same (maybe a slight eq tweak and a little more gain for leads). When using channel 2 and 3, I always set them up as both being modern (or vintage), as it lends more consistency to my overall tone. I tried using vintage on one channel while using modern on the other, sounded like two different amps clashing with each other... especially in a live setting.

 

[ryjan]

You can relly hear the difference in the Dual's presence taper. Good video. Same but different.

 

[cmmallinson]

Great Comparison! I love my roadster but I also want one of the old 2ch series 1 dual recs! Apparently even the new multiwatt dual recs aren't a bad choice either. Though I still want one of the older ones...

 

[Yetti]

Those guys aare awesome always doing the best comparisons.
I didn't hear as durastic difference on channel 4 as much as there was on channel 3 of roadster comparing mod and contact.
But could hear the difference in the palm mutes and the 3channel dual just was much mire in your face, where you could tell some flab in the roadster. . Which is what killed me everytime I tryed to get a better tone outa mine when I had it.
I'm sure some more work in the nobs would get you a closer result in the vid on the roadster. But I'm convinced that's just how its voiced. It's a blues players closet dream amp. but if you want that metal metal grind the regular rectifiers are what scores that sound.
Very happy I went to a rectifier. Just wish I was this educated back when I bought a roadster as I am now.