Difference between Roadster and Mark V?

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procos

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I just started looking into Mesa's. I have owned numerous amps over the years but never really got into checking out Boogies. I currently own a Soldano SLO, a couple of Two Rock Onyx's and a Vox. After all my searching over the years these amps are the ones I have settled on. I however want to start checking out the Boogies. How will the Mark V differ from the Roadster tonewise? I have played a Mark III before but not for long. I have played the Tremoverb and Dual Rectifier before. I am going to head over to check out the Roadster this week but obviously no Mark V's for awhile. How would you veterans say the Mark line differs from the Roadster?

Thanks,

Chuck
 
procos said:
I just started looking into Mesa's. I have owned numerous amps over the years but never really got into checking out Boogies. I currently own a Soldano SLO, a couple of Two Rock Onyx's and a Vox. After all my searching over the years these amps are the ones I have settled on. I however want to start checking out the Boogies. How will the Mark V differ from the Roadster tonewise? I have played a Mark III before but not for long. I have played the Tremoverb and Dual Rectifier before. I am going to head over to check out the Roadster this week but obviously no Mark V's for awhile. How would you veterans say the Mark line differs from the Roadster?

Thanks,

Chuck
Well let me start by saying welcome :D

With both the Roadster and Mark V your going to get a tone of versatility with voicings, power options, tube options, etc. The main differenc e is obciously the main voicing of the the amps... the Roadster will sound like a Recto and a Mark V will sound like a Mark series amp. The Mark series has a high gain thats very liquidy for leads and very crunchy for rhythms. They are chock full of mids and have a smoother gain (to my ears)... they can do anything from super crisp cleans to metallica type rhythms to petrucci type leads to lamb of god all out metalcore. The Roadster is definitely a recto with its big, deep bottom end (when compared to the Mark series), scooped upper mids and tons of gain on tap. Of the Rectos you've played I'd say it most resembles the Tremoverb in that its smoother than your standard Dual Recto and has some of the best cleans Mesa makes. It can more or less do anything, even leads with the right OD in front (the OD isnt to add more gain but to get the preamp tubes to compress more to give you those smooth, creamy leads). At the end of the day both are terrific amps, both capable of tons of great tone, but the question is which amp's character fits you more. If you can try and find a Mark IV to play and bring some of the Mark IV's manual settings as those will help you quickly dial in ballpark type tones. Do the same if you can find a Roadster. I find the only way to figure out which is for you is to play them, which at times can be tough.

Where are you located... i'm pretty sure someone here on the board can direct you to a place that carries Mesa's if you dont already know some.
 
Thanks alot. I am going to a local guitar store this week to check out the Roadster they have in stock. Does one amp sound fatter than the other?

Chuck
 
procos said:
Thanks alot. I am going to a local guitar store this week to check out the Roadster they have in stock. Does one amp sound fatter than the other?

Chuck

Define fatter. Both can sound fat or thin depending on how you dial it in. To me the biggest difference is their high gain character. Its hard to explain but if you can find some clips of a Recto and then say a Mark IV you can get the gist. What kind of musical style(s) are you into? Any artists you can compare to what your looking for in a general sense?
 
I'm in Michigan. As for what I am looking for just something different from what I am playing through now. Like I said I love my SLO and Two Rock Onyx's but just want to try something new out. Music I enjoy but don't necessarily try and copy is Allman Brothers, Government Mule, Foo Fighters, Phish & Tom Petty. As you can see it is pretty varied. I don't care for Nu Metal though. If after checking out the Roadster I dig it I am thinking about buying a used Roadster and then when the Mark V comes out I'll try it out and if I like it better I can always sell the Roadster.

Thanks,

Chuck
 
procos said:
I'm in Michigan. As for what I am looking for just something different from what I am playing through now. Like I said I love my SLO and Two Rock Onyx's but just want to try something new out. Music I enjoy but don't necessarily try and copy is Allman Brothers, Government Mule, Foo Fighters, Phish & Tom Petty. As you can see it is pretty varied. I don't care for Nu Metal though. If after checking out the Roadster I dig it I am thinking about buying a used Roadster and then when the Mark V comes out I'll try it out and if I like it better I can always sell the Roadster.

Thanks,

Chuck

Sounds like a man with a plan :wink:

seriously though if your out there to try new things I think you'll have a lot of fun with either amp. The Mark V is going to be hard to come by until the end of the year so giving the Roadster a swing during that time could be a lot of fun, especially since your looking for something new instead of something specific. I think for the kind of music you mentioned the Mark V might be a better fit but the Roadster can do that type stuff just as well with the right eq-ing and possibly an OD for some lead work. If you have any other questions dont hesitate to ask.
 
Allman Brothers, Government Mule, Foo Fighters, Phish & Tom Petty

With this list of bands, definately test drive a Stiletto as well- one thing I find that a Stiletto does better (IMHO) than the recto or mark is the ability to dial down the guitar volume to completely change the character of the amp- "full on gain-crunch-broken clean-clean"...the Stiletto owns the others here- at least to my ears.
Really though- you CANT go wrong with either a Roadster or a Mark...they are just spanking sweet amps...



Laskyman
 
procos said:
IMusic I enjoy but don't necessarily try and copy is Allman Brothers, Government Mule, Foo Fighters, Phish & Tom Petty.

Dave Grohl used a Roadking I think for at least some of the Foo Fighters material. Your SLO is probably best suited for the Allman Brothers and Government Mule. You might like the Roadster's channel 2 Brit mode with the gain maxed and maybe an overdrive pedal for Tom Petty stuff...
 
I have a 3ch Dual Rec I'm very happy with but like you, I occasionally get the urge to 'hear' something different. My DR has been modded by Voodoo amps so it is probably closer to a Roadster for comparison. FTR I have owned a Mark IV.

The front end:
The recommendations above are the best ones for Mesas. I own a few good OD pedals I run in front of my DR that help to get certain 'tonal flavors' that are difficult to get with the amp by itself. I typically use a TC Electronics chorus pedal as the first pedal in front of the amp. This is an A/C pedal that changes the input to Low Z allowing me to have a longer cable run, minimizing fidelity loss and maximizing harmonic content.

The loop:
I prefer delay to reverb and use a DD-6 and a Carbon Copy, as needed. I own a MXR 10 band GEQ that I run in the loop to get a real close SLO sound. You get a different tone/gain level from using the Solo function and/or turning the loop off. There is more available gain with the loop in as the effects loop is buffered with a tube circuit with send and receive attenuation available.

The speakers:
Depending on the cab type, number of speakers, speaker model/manufacturer and input impedence, you are going to get different sounds, sonic effect. I have open and closed back cabs. 1x12s, 2x12s, and 4x12s in 8ohm and 16ohm varieties. I recently have been drawn to head/cab setups over combos for this very reason. If I want to try something different I only have to plug the head into a different cab instead of swapping out speakers. An old EV 12L Thiele cab has a much different tone than does a 4x12 standard cab of Vintage 30s, both being great choices for a Recto or Mark series amp.

And last but not least....
I recently had the chance to but a Blue Stripe Mark III rackmount for a very good price. It needed work but was basically a solid amp. It is a Simul-Class unit with a Graphic and Reverb. I was going to fix it up and sell it to fund some future but yet undetermined GAS but after I was done with it did not have the heart to sell it. I had forgotten how much different the Marks and the Recto were. I have an old DOD A/B stomp box that I used to have both amps available at the same time and spent the entire afternoon switching back and forth playing every song I could think of from Metallica to Dreamtheater to Allman Bros to Eric Johnson, etc, etc, etc.

For the Record,
I have been a Mesa owner for over twenty years. I've own one or more of most of their major product lines. I have bought and regretted the purchase with some of their amps. I have sold and regretted the sale of a few of their amps. I can tell you amps are like people and guitars and cars and anything else. Just because they have the same name of the chassis doesn't mean they are all created equal. There are good ones and not so good ones. I cannot give a quick explanation why that is, you just have to play a bunch of them to realize this.

You cannot go wrong with any Recto for 'that sound', if that is what you are looking for. I would wager that the Dual Rec is probably one of the single most recorded amplifiers in Rock history. The Roadster is a well thought out Rock amp and is the next logical evolution of the Dual Rec with only a few options short of the Road King. Great cleans, medium gain sounds and all out mayheim are available in an intelligent package that is hard to beat for the money.

The Mark series are the amps that started the 'Hot Rodded to the Public' amp phase that grew into the current 'Channel Switcher' paradymn that we now consider the norm for almost any musical genre. Mark I, IIc+, III, IV and now the V have and always will be great amps. I think they have better cleans than most the Rectos, (maybe not better than the Lonestar or Road King). For shredding there is an urgency with the Mark tone that just works very well for single note articulation. You can get a Mark to sort of sound like a Marshall or Fender or ???, but it won't sound like a Recto and vice versa.

Bottom line,
At the end of the day, though, they are Mesa amps and they sound like a Mesa to me. I don't think most folks can tell all of the differences on the recordings or sound bites unless they are guitar players and have played the amps that are listed on the band's website, but I could be wrong. I remember the first time I heard a Soldano SLO and realized that that was the amp that made 'that' tone. Rat, the Allman Bros, Sambora, Van Halen, Clapton, etc, have all played this amp. While I honestly think the tone these guys produce is magical I also think they could probably pull most of it off with a Pod or ProTools direct into the board. Again, I could be wrong. I think we all Jones about owning 'the' amp that will give us the magic not realizing that we as musicians hear the magic more than the non-musicians all the time, whether it is coming from our guitars or someone elses. I own a Bad Cat and a Cornford that don't sound like my Mesas but I won't be selling either of these amps either for the 'magic' that they can do any time soon as well. I know that most older players have figured this out and thus own more than a single amp for this specific reason. Plus it is just easier to just plug into a different amp once in a while to revitalize your playing than to go 'on the hunt' for a new amp when you are weary of the tone you are getting from your 'main amp'. YMMV

My advice:
IF the Roadster is a good deal AND it sounds good to you, buy it. For that sound, only a Recto does it best.
In a year or two after all the bugs have been worked out, start looking for a Mark V to buy. I'm very comfortable in buying used because Mesa amps typically last a long time.
In the mean time, if you want to have that Vintage Mesa sound, look for a Mark III. They are selling for a good price right now by all the guys that want to be on the 6 month waiting list for a Mark V.

cheers
 
I would say that they are rather different from one another, so much so they would compliment each other in stereo... :D
 
Whenever I think of those amps I think of either Metal band A or Metal band B. Not saying anything bad about either amp (I would love to get a roadster/roadking) but most of those bands you mentioned sound more like you would want something more laid back in the gain dept. Nomads have a really nice second channel and that channel alonce would work perfectly for the bands you mentioned. If youre dead set on either a Roadster or a Mark V, I would suggest the Roadster because I feel they just sound looser and are more relaxed and spread the sound around alot. The Marks are nice but the little experience I had with a Mark IV wasnt really too special however playing a Triple Recto changed my life.

Most of the bands you listed have a sort of relaxed aspect to their sound and style of music so i think a Mark would sound too uptight since theyre known for sounding super tight compared to the Rectos. however most of warren haynes's recent stuff sounds kind of tight (no reverb or delay and lots of staccato and double stops) so i guess a Mark would be great for that.
 
Both amps are going to sound great. But I do agree with the bands you listened a Stiletto Stage II might be more your to your liking.

However, I can say that IMO the Roadsters have more "boom" to them. But, the Mark's have more warmth to them in the high gain spectrum. What I mean by this is (at least in their high gains, because both have amazing cleans) is that if you were, in metal at least, to do more slow palm muted breakdowns and big grooves, the Roadster will be what you're looking for to get the fat bottom end. But the Mark has a warmer tone and a bit less "flubby" sound especially with lower palm mutes and really helps with thrash metal (hence LoG using them).

Just get both, like I'm planning on doing as soon as a Mark V is available :p
 

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