Certain Mesa gear pushing more air?

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The Magic Hoof

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Have any of you done a side by side comparison of Mesa gear? I mean like something from a Rectifier series compared to a Mark series, back to back. I'm wondering which one of these is going to push more air, as in harder sounding, not louder. Presence, kick, punch, whatever you want to call it. Some say the Mark series can't match up to the Rec's ballsiness.
 
The recto moves more air. In other words....its going to flap your pants harder when your standing in front of it. But...that doesnt mean that it sits better in a mix. Im going to generalize here...but in general, a tighter amp doesnt move the air, yet it stands out in a mix better.

Just since Ive started using an od808 a week ago with my recto, ive noticed two apparent things.... It does not have the prominent low end that it used to. Still plenty...but not quite as dramatically pants flapping... And two, the tighter, cutting sound cleans up our mix, and makes my playing stand out in a mix much easier. No....its not as devastating as it used to be without the OD, but its worth it, because those additional balls just clouded up the mix.
 
Perfect answer :D You hit the nail on the head because I was a little worried at having the 'devastation' that you mentioned. The context of a mix is what I was talking about since I work in a studio, not really a live player, so that's good to hear.
 
I went from a rectoverb to a Mark IV, so I can probably through my $0.02 in. The Recto was much boomier. It had too much low end for me. I often ran the bass at 9:00 or lower to control the boominess. Some like this kind of tone (Nu Metal, etc.), but for me the guitar belongs in the midrange frequencies, and I leave the really low frequencies to the Bass player. The Mark IV is much more focused and tight compared to the looser girth of the recto. The two are quite different creatures, and each can be made to sound fantastic in their own way. With something like a MXR 10 band EQ in the loop of the Recto, you have a lot more options as to how it can sit in a mix too. For me the Mark series just fits better, but the recto was a fine amp as well. For both amps, speaker and cabinet choice plays an ENORMOUS role in your tone. I liked the Recto with Celestion V30's, while my Mark IV sounds better to me with EVM12L's. I think it really depends on your band, setup, and your playing style. Both are great in their own unique ways.
 
Yup, thats where its at. As I said before.....I was generalizing, but frequency is obviously key as well. In a studio setting though, Im sure you know that this is not quite as important as a live setting(lemme explain), because if nothing else.....you have a "stereo field" to play with. the midrange is where a guitar sings and stands out, but on a recording......a drastically scooped sound can still work out just fine as long as you lay it in the right place in the mix, and cut and arch the other frequencies of the other instruments to fit in and around it. Not so much as easy to do in a mono live mix, which is why a tight amp with the right mid charactor stands out best.

Studio though.....its all subjective. But even still....the boomy recto amp is still hard to record unless you find a way to dail out that boomy sound! And even though you can dial out the boom during the production/mastering process....its just soooo much better to be done DURING the recording process. Remember, garbage in, garbage out! So, the guitar player should have a handle on that sound before it gets recorded, and it makes the engineers life easier, and the end result better.

That said....the mark series stuff has the cutting, stand out kinda sound naturally. The recto has the hard edge, thumpy kinda low end naturally. either one can be manipulated to go one way or another, but a mark lends itself to the standout sound without much work.

But.....I still dig the rectos gain character. When you get it right, I just like the type of saturation and drive it has(while still being a controlled sound). but I will contradict myself and say that I still havent gotten it "right" just yet...... Ive come a long way, but not totally there yet.....
 
Yeah...i've found that a recto almost has to be run through a 2x12 C-90 loaded cab to have that tight cutting sound.
when i record or run sound i ALWAYS cut everything under 100HZ(Guitar) so having a bunch of lowend dialed in serve no purpose other than makeing your guitar sound more indistinct and cluttered.
 

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