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Chris McKinley

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I was playing around with my new Triple Rec and wanted to see what kind of versatility the amp offered. Perhaps predictably, I played around with the different modes on channels 2 and 3 first. When I got to channel 1, I noticed that the 'Pushed' mode didn't have enough available gain for much more than lighter blues and the slightly edgy jangle rock of the 60's. Although I realize that's how the channel was purposefully designed...honestly, neither application was anything I was going to make frequent use of.

However, the thing that captured my interest was that, even though the available gain on the Pushed setting was too low for my uses, the voicing of that channel was similar to some of my old Marshalls in midrange character. I would characterize it as a more open, less compressed midrange than the more modern Mesa tone...kind of an open-vowel sound with a slight emphasis in the high mids. Not that the higher gain channels 2 and 3 weren't completely fantastic, but I thought that I might be on to something here if I could get both classic Mesa and classic Marshall-type tone out of the same amp.

Like I mentioned, the voicing was there on the Pushed Clean channel to get some classic Marshall rock and metal tones, but the gain was just too low. So, I started experimenting and found that running a 7-band graphic EQ between the guitar and the amp's input gave me the ability to further refine the voicing, especially in the mids, and also give me a nice 15db gain boost which really helped push the channel into useable harder-rock territory. Now I was getting somewhere. With the EQ, I could now use the channel to get a really great lower-to-medium gain rock tone a la Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, etc. What was also kind of nice about it was that even though I was playing through a Mesa, it didn't sound like somebody trying to play classic rock with a modern Triple Rectifier tone.

However, I still wasn't getting quite enough raw gain to really get into classic Marshall metal tone. So I replaced the EQ pedal with a Digitech Bad Monkey Tube Overdrive pedal. With the level maxed out and the gain control set to minimum, I got about the same amount of gain boost as the EQ had given me with a slight bit of overdrive edge, for a nice, very useable classic rock tone. As I started to dial in the gain control, the overall tone started to move into the beginnings of the higher gain territory while still retaining the more open midrange voicing of the clean channel. However, as the gain control got much past 12:00, it started to muddy up the tone with a little too much fake distortion rather than real tube saturation.

The solution was to add the EQ back into the chain before the overdrive pedal. Along with the level boost from the Bad Monkey pedal, the EQ gave me the additional clean gain boost I needed to push the tubes into true metal tone without having to add in too much of the analog distortion of the Bad Monkey's gain control. By tweaking the EQ, I could now play not only the classic rock mentioned earlier, but also pretty much anything from 80's hard rock and metal, such as Van Halen, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Dokken, Motley Crue, Scorpions...you get the idea. Pretty much anything associated with the Marshall JCM 800 and high-gain mod tones.

These discoveries left me nothing less than ecstatic with my new Mesa amp. Not only could I get the great high-gain Mesa tones of channel 2 and the bone-crushing metal meltdown of channel 3 (or vice versa), I could also recreate the 80's Marshall metal sound without shelling out $2K or more for a restored JCM 800, or I could take a trip down memory lane and dial in the Marshall Plexi tones of my favorite classic rock songs.

All this available in one great hand-made tank of an amp with a tap of a footswitch. Now, I realize that my Mesa is plenty good enough to fire up and play straight, without any effects whatsoever. The point of my experimental tweaking was to find out what I could make the amp do and to explore aspects of the amp to their fullest potential that would otherwise have gone mostly ignored.
 
This is an old post but by-gee how relevant it is. It deserves a bump simply because so many users ask for a "Marshall" tone. Chris's thoughts and experiments are my exact findings... and my findings are a couple of years old, Chris's even older.

I use either a MI Audio Crunch Box or MI Audio Blues Pro pedal or Wampler's Range of pedals. The clean-pushed is pretty much the mode for real classic Marshall tones.

I love the Raw mode as well depending on how EQ pedals and OD pedals are setup. Vintage is great but I feel Raw is better. There's something about the lower gain channels that you can do a lot more with.

Insofar as EQ pedals, try them after an OD pedal as well..... and place an EQ in the loop, too.
 
I always use the loop of my Mark V but for whatever reason I have to run my Triple with the loop bypassed. It just doesn't sound the same once engaged, even at the same volumes. Maybe I'm not setting the levels right. Anyway, with that said, what are your settings on the Triple for this Marshall tone?
 
SonVolt said:
I always use the loop of my Mark V but for whatever reason I have to run my Triple with the loop bypassed. It just doesn't sound the same once engaged, even at the same volumes. Maybe I'm not setting the levels right. Anyway, with that said, what are your settings on the Triple for this Marshall tone?

Own a Rectoverb so Triple will be different. Combo vs cab thing....

From memory, I'd push the mids, turn bass down and adjust treble to taste. Presence I think was very low 8~9oclock? Gain on amp would depend on the OD/Dist pedal I'd use. There's a relationship between the pedal's gain, pedal's output level and the amps gain. These 3 dials need to be adjusted as they each affect the amps sound a different way.

When I set this up, as a reference, I was going after a Malcom Young type tone and that kind of rhythm playing. It's certainly not high gain, compressed, mid-scooped, chugga-chugga type stuff. I think I combined a low gain distortion pedal and an OD pedal plus EQ. Distort the signal a little and push through with an OD pedal. Need to play around with pedal settings but it's achievable.

For some really good high gain stuff, I remember doing this with MI Audio's Tube Zone and Crunch Box pedals plus EQ pedal. Worked a treat. Actually surprised me.

Experiment. Use albums as a reference tool.
 
These revelations aren't exclusive to the Recto family. They seem to be hiding in the Mark series too...you just have to go looking for them. :wink: Congrats on the discovery!
 
kdorsey said:
These revelations aren't exclusive to the Recto family. They seem to be hiding in the Mark series too...you just have to go looking for them.

Aaaaaaaaaaaannnndddd.... Do share... :D
 
how is the Bad Monkey on the other channels?
yesterday i play a Zep gig with the Raw mode 50 watts but after the third song i move up the gain to 3 o'clock and it sound it great!!!
but with no OD in front...
 
I can confirm this works with the Lone Star Special as well. I use a Boss GE-7 (slight frown curve), followed by a Boss OS2 (gain at 10:00 to 11:00, dist. voicing) into CH. 1 of the LSS and it is a dead-on duplicate of my Marshall DSL. Can then use my guitar volume knob to go from Angus to Eddie, with sustain for days.

Sounds great in front of CH. 2 as well. Put another EQ in the loop and you can really change the character of the entire amp. Easily takes you straight to Marshall territory, and elsewhere. No wonder the Mark series (and now the Express) have a built-in EQ.

Actually, the "frown curve" trick works great in front of just about every amp I've tried. Perfect for that pushed, slightly grainy-almost-fuzzy attack you hear on Van Halen 1.
 

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