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Looking for some advice:

I have an opportunity to pick up either a Mesa 5:25 1x12 Express for about $600 or a lighlty used 50 Caliber 1x12 combo for $300.

From a tone standpoint, what is the best way to go? I typically play with quite a bit of gain.
 
Apples and oranges, really: tones are quite different, not only due to 6L6 v. EL84, but also how each is voiced. And a marked price difference between the two. But if I were to own only one, I'd take the Express hands down. It is more versaitle with wider palatte of tones in its back pocket. And high-gain or heavy tone is no problem. The Express is twice as much dough, but it's a clear decision IMHO. Oh, and killer price on the express ...I'd not wait!

Edward
 
If you want an amp with High Gain, the .50 cal+ especially given the price is the amp I'd take. While the express is more versatile, the .50Cal will give you a fendery-ish clean tone, and a super High gain tone, think master of puppets...
 
auburnshredder said:
Looking for some advice:

I have an opportunity to pick up either a Mesa 5:25 1x12 Express for about $600 or a lighlty used 50 Caliber 1x12 combo for $300.

From a tone standpoint, what is the best way to go? I typically play with quite a bit of gain.

Is it the 50 Cal. + w/ 6l6 or the older version w/el84's ?
 
Thanks for all the advice. The guy with the 50 Caliber wasn't sure about the tubes, I assume 6l6.

This is the Plus model with the EQ.

Will the amp handle EL84s with a re-bias?
 
No it won't. The + has 6L6's and a master volume. It's the one you want, especially since it has the EQ option. If you want to hear what a .50Cal can do, click on my Pasadena Napalm div. myspace link, .50Cal+ on one side, MKIII on the other.
 
The .50 Cal has a lot more of a raw sound to it. It feels natural, no matter how much gain you throw at it.
And....with some maintenance and a transformer upgrade, it can be turned into a monster! :mrgreen:
This amp likes to be loud though before it starts to shine, so if you are planning on just playing it at the house, go for the Express. You won't get the .50 Cal to sound like it should at bedroom levels!

The Express has way more tones inside of it though and is just powerful enough to use with my band when I don't feel like lugging the Heartbreaker around.
I have the 1x10 version which had a crappy Eminence speaker in it that just got flubby and dull sounding at any real volume.
I replaced the Emi with a Weber ceramic 10 VS and now the amp shines!
This amp sounds great at any volume I use it at. The drawback to mine, again, is the 10" speaker. When I use it with the band, I have to use a 1x12 extension cab and the internal speaker just to have any clean headroom at all.


Other things to think about:
The .50 Cal will most likely need servicing. Usually, they need to have the tube sockets cleaned and re-tensioned, pots and jacks cleaned and caps changed to make them sound and work the way they should. Also, I have had to replace the LDR's (things that do the channel switching) in a lot of them.
This is not a bad thing at all, and these are by far one of my favorite amps. It will cost you around $150 - $200 for the maintenance, and you may still need tubes after that.

The Express may still have some warranty left.

If it were me, I would buy them both at that price. Then, use them both for a month and decide which one to ebay and make a little profit! :twisted:
 
Forgot to mention:
At that price ($300), the .50 is a steal! Even after tubes and maintenance, then you are looking at having a great vintage Boogie that RAWKS!!!!
After the maintenance and maybe some tubes, you will still only be into it for what most guys pay just for the amp!
 
I once got a mesa .50 caliber + head and thiele with EV for 300$, very good prices for a great and underrated amp :D
 
Thanks for all the comments....the 50 cal seems to be working fine, but I am still going to have it serviced.

Picked up a Mesa thiele cab and put an EVM 12L I had in another cab......absolutely kills!!
 
auburnshredder said:
Thanks for all the comments....the 50 cal seems to be working fine, but I am still going to have it serviced.

Picked up a Mesa thiele cab and put an EVM 12L I had in another cab......absolutely kills!!

That was my old setup, a mesa 50 cal, with an EVM 12L loaded thiele, It sounded killer!
 
auburnshredder said:
...Picked up a Mesa thiele cab and put an EVM 12L I had in another cab......absolutely kills!!

A Mesa Thiele cab loaded with an EVM12L is amazing!! I have played mine with many a diff combo amp and whatever it accompanies, it adds serious oomph and clarity. An absolutely stellar cab that few know about.

Edward
 
Here is an interesting ''Caliber history'' topic.

http://forum.grailtone.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=44396
 
Roadifier said:
jpdennis said:
So does this .50 Caliber have the 6L6 power tubes?

Dennis
The .50 caliber plus does. The regular 50 caliber doesn't

Right. I guess I was asking "auburnshredder" if the .50 Caliber that this thread was originally talking about was the Plus or not. It seemed a little vague when the original comment about the tubes were like the sales guy doesn't know. I felt there were a lot of assumptions at that point and no "exact" answer.

Since I own an early regular model (with the EL84), I wasn't sure how to comment any further on the purchase and the tone this amp may be capable or not capable of.

Dennis
 
Hey Dennis,

Forgive the thread Hijack but I just noticed you own a 1981 "The Strat" ...Hens teeth, man!!! I have an '80 "The Strat" in CandyAppRed. It was my first good electric ...bought it as a kid and has been my #1 for all these years! Tell me bout yours, bud!

Edward
 
edward said:
Hey Dennis,

Forgive the thread Hijack but I just noticed you own a 1981 "The Strat" ...Hens teeth, man!!! I have an '80 "The Strat" in CandyAppRed. It was my first good electric ...bought it as a kid and has been my #1 for all these years! Tell me bout yours, bud!

Edward

I'll PM you! It is great ... 8)

Dennis
 
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