Single Recto~Obtaining Da' Brootal

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cellardweller

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I'm loving the tones I'm getting straight into my Solo 50 head, but I'm wanting to beef it up a little for our more "Nu-Metalish" stuff. (Nu-metal...Death Metal-ish...whateva!)

At my disposal, I have a digitech Bad Monkey, as well as a BOSS Metal Zone (MT2).
I'm sure I still have some older OD & dist. pedals laying around the cellar as well....

Everyone gets very impatient with me experimenting during practice, so I was hoping to get a leg up on this before practice....

Thanks in advance for any wisdom you may impart!
 
forget the ods and the mts just get a nice eq and it will thicken your sound up nicely
 
Leave the mids around half, turn up the presence and scoop the treble... instant Korn.

Beyond that, you won't need a pedal to get Nu-Metal out of that amp. Pretty much any guitar into that head combined with a Recto cab and you're set.
 
use either pedal you've got as a boost. all eq on pedals at noon, level maxed and gain zeroed.

i have both of those pedals and have used both with great success.
 
screamingdaisy said:
Leave the mids around half, turn up the presence and scoop the treble... instant Korn.

Beyond that, you won't need a pedal to get Nu-Metal out of that amp. Pretty much any guitar into that head combined with a Recto cab and you're set.
Ewwww! Yuck! Really?
I couldn't get anything I liked with the presence beyond 10 o'clock.

Maybe "Nu-metal" is not descriptive of what I'm looking for! :lol:
...guess it's true, talking about sound is like sniffing a painting. :D
 
Benraldo said:
use either pedal you've got as a boost. all eq on pedals at noon, level maxed and gain zeroed.

i have both of those pedals and have used both with great success.
Did you use the MT2 into the front of the amp?
I've heard of running it into the input of the loop for the Cannibal sound... :?:

What level of filth is the Bad Monkey capable of???
 
I used both in front of the amp, with the settings I stated. The bad monkey is the one I use most, it tightens the amp up a bit and adds a lot of punch without over saturating it. The Metal Zone does similar but adds a healthy amount of saturation.

I'd say just try both and use whatever you feel is best.

What cab are you running? I myself didn't like the vintage 30's for a "brootal" tone.
I've also ran a mxr 10 band eq in the loop with the 250hz slider dipped -6 dbs or so, helped get rid of the boominess.
 
I have an Avatar 2x12 closed-back w/V30's, and another Avatar 2x12 open-back w one v30 and one G12H30. The open-back cab is usually on bottom.

I actually think I have an MXR 10-band around here somewhere!
What a coincidence!!!!111

Thanks man! :D
 
How brutal do you wanna get exactly? I don't understand people that can't seem to get an insane amount of brootAL from a Rec.

A boost out front will tighten you up, after that you could easily dial in something insane without anything further. On a tube amp your guitar and playing style will effect the sound a great deal, remember that.

And who the hell brought up Korn? Don't discredit yourself and your taste so willingly... geesh.
 
Maybe, as you say, I just need to "tighten it up" a bit.
I've never dimed the gain...so in theory I still have more "brootal" to go...right?

I think the Korn reference was only for purpose of example...I hope!


And for the record, I'm tired of using smilies, so you guys are just gonna have to get it when I'm being facetious...okay? :lol:
 
cellardweller said:
Maybe, as you say, I just need to "tighten it up" a bit.
I've never dimed the gain...so in theory I still have more "brootal" to go...right?

I think the Korn reference was only for purpose of example...I hope!


And for the record, I'm tired of using smilies, so you guys are just gonna have to get it when I'm being facetious...okay? :lol:

You don't want to max the gain. Beyond a certain point (not sure on the single recs) it's going to get noisy and fizzy... don't mistaken over saturation for BRUTAL.

Think of it as "less is more"


maybe add a lil tape delay or reverb for depth. also, remember VOLUME, I usually get the independent volume controls up before i mess with the general output level.

get those tubes going and you'll get more natural saturation going.
 
Elixir said:
You don't want to max the gain. Beyond a certain point (not sure on the single recs) it's going to get noisy and fizzy... don't mistaken over saturation for BRUTAL.

Think of it as "less is more"
Yes, most definitely! Sounds like crap much beyond 3 o'clock or so....

Elixir said:
also, remember VOLUME, I usually get the independent volume controls up before i mess with the general output level.

get those tubes going and you'll get more natural saturation going.
Hadn't thought of the "independent" volumes that way...makes sense...gotta try this.
 
Elixir said:
You don't want to max the gain. Beyond a certain point (not sure on the single recs) it's going to get noisy and fizzy... don't mistaken over saturation for BRUTAL.

Think of it as "less is more"

+1.

Everyone seems to think 'brutal' comes from the gain knob... it doesn't. Compression and buzz come from the gain knob. Brutal comes from the output knob.

I found that my Recto didn't start to hit it's stride until around 4 on the master volume, and kept sounding better up until around 6 or so, at which point it started to compress more and loose some of it's punch. You see, once the amp hit's it's stride it starts to compress the thin, buzzy bee sounding crap that you get at lower volumes and the amp morphs into a raging monster with this huge, pissed off chainsaw grind and thumping percussive sound when palm muting.

I used to run the gain between 11:00 and 12:00. Any higher and I felt things started to get too compressed.
 
Once thing to do, that worked wonders for me, is to stop worrying about conventional knob settings, and follow your ears.

With my new Roadster, I was having a hell of a time drying to dial in the typical rectifier sound, without if being overly dark. I kept all the knobs around noon like I always had on my rectifiers. I added a 10 band EQ, and it brought me to where I wanted to be.

Yesterday, I started just running the knobs from 0 to full while playing, and I found my settings, without the EQ, and it sounds even better than before. I'm running both the presence and treble fairly high, but darn does it sound good.

So, close your eyes, strum / chug some open chords, and turn those dials!

Best of luck!

Eric
 
First let me start out by saying "brootal" is a very subjective word... one person may consider Master of Puppets brutal (where infact there isnt much gain there) where the next guy might consider brutal a Killswitch Engage tone whereas the next guy may consider it something like Nevermore. I think the best way to get across to other people what your shooting for is if you cite a band and/or a song that we either know ro can find and listen to. there is a lot of experience on this board so finding a song or a tone on youtube can go a long way in providing assistance. :wink:

With that said, one thing thats always worked for me is using both an OD infront of the amp and using a EQ in the loop. Now I know there are a bunch of people out there that think "you already have a recto how much more gain do you need?"... well its not about the gain in the amp, its about the usuable gain and how to tap that gains potential while retaining the tone and character of your guitar and amp and technique.

The Rectos have a huge amount of gain on tap and not all of it is usuable, so you'll find past say 2 oclock on the gain knob you get pure mud. What I have found is by keeping the gain at or below 12 oclock and boosting your signal with an OD or Clean Boost you can keep your preamp cleaner (by keeping the gain lower on the actual amp) but still get a super heavy, super brutal tone because you sending a hotter signal to the preamp getting the tubes more compressed. You also end up adding more harmonics with the right OD which even for heavy rhythm tones is a good thing as it makes things sound more musical and rich. You also get some tightening with boost infront as the preamp tube compression will have a tighter, more bold tone. Finally with some boosts you'll get a bump in the mids which can be a blessing when paired with a recto as the rectos are a bit scooped, especially in the upper mids.

Now once you have your super tight, super dense tone coming from the preamp you may also want to finely shape your tone before it hits the power amp. This is where the eq in the loop comes in... the eqs for each channel do more than just enhance or subdue certain frequencies on a recto. They interact more than you'd see on other amps, so using an eq in the loop will help you get a more refined tone by making very slight adjustments until you find your tone. It also helps in brings more mids into your tone, which the rectos lack right off the bat. Reinstating those mids are very important for getting a good cutting lead tone as well as getting the right amount of punch for super heavy rhythms.

So are an OD and/or eq always necassary? No. But they are great tools for dialing in specific tones with certain amps. Granted there are many other changes you could make to get you a certain tone (different pickups in your guitar, a different cab, different preamp tubes), but to me adding an OD and/or eq to the mix are very easy and very affordible alternatives, especially if you want to do some experimenting first. you seem to already have both in your Bad Monkey and MXR eq, so i suggest trying both out and see if you can find what your looking for.

With the Bad Monkey I would suggest setting the gain to 0, maxing the volume and setting up your low and highs to your liking. If you feel thats too clean of a boost start adding a little bit of gain at a time till you get something that fits. One thing to note when doing this is you may need to reduce the gain on your amp as running the preamp cleaner with a boost gets you more clarity, more punch and at the same time more power due to the boost.

With the EQ make very slight adjustments. bottom end flub resides around the 200 hz frequency, so by taking that slider down slightly should tighten your tone a bit. I would also recommend bumping the 2k and 4k frequncies a bit to get a little more mid action in your tone which should give you some more punch without making things too bright.

One last thing... once you add the OD and/or EQ lower the presence on your amp. That should provide more thump rather than more bite... to add more bite rase the treble slightly on the channel and/or adjust the top end with the eq. At the end of the day thought just experiment and experiment, and most importantly have fun :D
 
Cannibal Corpse used the MT2 with the gain all the way down in front of their rectos for the Kill tone. That sound is a bit extreme for me, but give it a try and see how you like it (don't forget to turn the gain on the amp down to compensate)

The Bad Monkey is a perfect boost though as it's much more transparent, but will tighten and give that extra edge to your tone. I keep the gain at 9 o'clock and the level at around 2 o'clock on mine. I find with the level all the way up it compresses the sound a bit too much. It's a great pedal, especially for the price. My TS808 Tubescreamer is a bit warmer, smoother, and less digital sounding, otherwise the Bad Monkey sounds the same and has separate low and high knobs instead of the tone knob, which is cool.

A ton of bands use Tubescreamers to boost their tube amps to get that tight, modern tone. Killswitch, Nevermore, Whitechapel, God Forbid, Scar Symmetry, and Devin Townsend, just to name a few.
 

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