Removing drum, bass, and vocal tracks

[clutch71]

OK, I'm playing along with Rage Against the Machine;'s "Snake Charmer" and if I turn the stereo's balance knob all the way to the left (I think) it cuts out most of the guitars.

So I'm thinking, man is there any way software "For musical study purposes" that allows you to "strip" the guitars out of cd track? I' don't know anything about how music is engineered in the studio so maybe this is a stupid question.

If this doesn't exist is there cd's you can buy that don't have the guitar tracks?

I'm a basement player and it would be fun for me, but my brother has never played in a band situation and I think it would be good for helping him develop his timing.

 

[Rayder]

afaik, when the song is completed, all the tracks are merged together to form the song as you are hearing it. if it could be done, i would imagine it would be very difficult to do.

 

[ylo]

If the drums, guitar, lead vocal etc. are panned close to the center in the mix and were originally mixed from a mono source, you can try reversing the phase of either the left or right side. Then, you mix to mono (push the mono button if you have one), and adjust the left and right side of the stereo mix to get maximum cancellation.

You can do this in Sonar and many sequencers after ripping a song from CD to WAV file. You can also do this with many mixing boards. If your mixer does not have a phase switch, make a phase reverse adapter out of a male and female RCA connector connected together with the two signal wires reversed.

Last but not least, the inexpensive program Transkriber does this as well, and lets you slow down songs with or without pitch shift for figuring out guitar licks.

 

[18&Life]

where can I dowload this program ?
thanks

 

[clutch71]

If the drums, guitar, lead vocal etc. are panned close to the center in the mix and were originally mixed from a mono source, you can try reversing the phase of either the left or right side. Then, you mix to mono (push the mono button if you have one), and adjust the left and right side of the stereo mix to get maximum cancellation.

You can do this in Sonar and many sequencers after ripping a song from CD to WAV file. You can also do this with many mixing boards. If your mixer does not have a phase switch, make a phase reverse adapter out of a male and female RCA connector connected together with the two signal wires reversed.

Last but not least, the inexpensive program Transkriber does this as well, and lets you slow down songs with or without pitch shift for figuring out guitar licks.

You lost me bro. I do have access to Sonar but had no luck removing just the guitar. I didn't have a whole lot of time when tinkering with it though. Does Sonar have a virtual secuencer built in? Man I hate feeling stupid!

 

[ylo]

Sonar IS a MIDI sequencer, as well as a digital audio recording program. By habit I call it a sequencer, which is how it started life many versions ago.

Import a song from CD into Sonar. Highlight one side, the left or right, and go to Audio Effects. You should have something called "Phase," which will reverse the phase. Now play the song back in mono, altering the levels of the left and right to see what sort of interesting cancellation you get. You will be amazed at what happens to some songs.

You can find Transkriber at http://www.reedkotler.com/Products/Transkriber/transkriber.html

This is easier than using Sonar, and is ideal for figuring out song parts from CDs.

Chris

 

[mesanomad100]

emmm Im sure tascam has a small red phrase trainer which does this,Im not 100% though

well as an engineer this possible with a really good multiband compressor but it takes time an a good few years experiance

 

[18&Life]

well as an engineer this possible with a really good multiband compressor but it takes time an a good few years experiance

removing instruments with a compressor !!!!!!!!!!!
If you do that I'll give you a ferrari.
It's impossible.
I studied audio engineering in New York and worked as a recording engineer in the past 10 years.
Compressors can't do that. :lol:

 

[mesanomad100]

sorry multiband eq,Ive seen it been done in front of me with this it can be done,Im not slating you Im not a pro but the guy I work for is and has been doing it for a looooooonnnnng time,since the 60/70's

He has recorded alot of mainstream albums(I dunno if they are in mainstream in the states but they are pretty mainstream here),I have seen this being done in front of me,perhaps there were different processors being used at the same time but it pretty much looked like he was cancelling out frequencies

Unless he had the guitars just eq'd at one frequency and eveything else outta that frequency and it was only a matter of cutting out all the others and boosting that particular frequency,I will ask him how he done it the next time we meet and I will tell you then his exact proceedure

As I said he may have been running several different proccessors I will ask him

Euan

 

[18&Life]

As I said he may have been running several different proccessors I will ask him
Euan

humm so like I said,just a compressor can't do that. :wink:

 

[mesanomad100]

yeah I apologised for putting in compressor instead of eq

If my information is false then Im sorry but its just my experiance with such a situation

I aint here to argue,when Im wrong I will back down and say so,If Im correct then I will forget about it and get on with other topics here

 

[eltrain858]

humm so like I said,just a compressor can't do that. :wink:

oh wow, you were totally right, you're so awesome. you write the most amazing posts. i want to have your baby.

btw - is there a way to use a compressor or eq to filter out annoying posts from a forum?

 

[Schmoog]

humm so like I said,just a compressor can't do that. :wink:

oh wow, you were totally right, you're so awesome. you write the most amazing posts. i want to have your baby.

btw - is there a way to use a compressor or eq to filter out annoying posts from a forum?

+100

 

[18&Life]

oh wow, you were totally right, you're so awesome. you write the most amazing posts. i want to have your baby.
btw - is there a way to use a compressor or eq to filter out annoying posts from a forum?

I was trying to give the right information to this thread.Just it.
I don't know why you're angry,I think all of us know better something than the others, so I was trying to give my knowledge just to help the thread.
Sorry for that

 

[clutch71]

Look guys there is no since in arguing. Mesanomad thanks for your comments. 18&Life thanks for your comments as well. I'm not sure my question was answered here so we kind of defeated the purpose of this forum.

I think my best bet is to re-load Sonar and play with it some more. Down load the manual and read it (something I really don't have time to do) and sludge through it.

The guitar backing track web site looks cool but the download speeds are real slow. 1 hour with a T1 line? Something is not right with that site.

Anyhow, have a good one and as always thanks to all that have replied. In the future let's stick to the best argument on this forum....
2ch Rec Vs. 3ch Rec.

 

[Schmoog]

Anyhow, have a good one and as always thanks to all that have replied. In the future let's stick to the best argument on this forum....
2ch Rec Vs. 3ch Rec.

or Mark III vs Mark IV.....

that one gets pretty damn heated....