recording a huge rhythm sound

[ytse_jam]

wanting to put in stereo a rhythm part to get a big sound, is it better to put in the mix the same part twice (pan: one left, one right), or record twice the same part (so playing wouldn't be exactly the same, and the combination could create a bigger sound, if true)???
thanks

 

[Mrmot]

well, i always record twice, then put one on the left, the other on the right.
Also, layering is a great method..
and multiple miking

 

[Greenevil]

You can try that or record the part 4 times! Pan two hard left and the other two guitar tracks hard right. Def. makes the guitar sound huge, just be sure to play as tight as you can, otherwise it can sound like mush....

 

[SilverBayJ]

Greenevil has a good suggestion. Record your normal rhythm guitars twice and pan hard left and right. Then record rhythm guitars two more times, but this time try changing something in your rig. A different guitar, cabinet, amp, effects, or micing. Then pan that hard left and right and blend the volumes. This should give you a very large wall o' sound. Be careful and play the parts exactly as the one before it, the different takes will give you a nice chorus effect, but can be mushy or muddy sounding if done poorly. If using distortion, turn down the gain level on the amp and record slightly less than you normally play live, this helps reduce the mush...

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=294119

This link will show you the exact sound I got by using this method. I used a Trip Recto 2 ch into a Marshall, using a SM57, and Fender Fat Strat. First take was Mesa all the way, second take I added a Boss SD-1 Pedal and changed the cabinet. Hope you like it...

This method works really well for heavy rock, as the guitarist from the 80's hair bands swore by this.

 

[ytse_jam]

This link will show you the exact sound I got by using this method. I used a Trip Recto 2 ch into a Marshall, using a SM57, and Fender Fat Strat. First take was Mesa all the way, second take I added a Boss SD-1 Pedal and changed the cabinet. Hope you like it...

i really like it! very big but still defined sound

 

[Mrmot]

hey, these two links below are an amazing read,

first link is Michael Wagener (guy who mixed Metallica's Master of Puppets and many many more albums) talking about mixing methods that he used on MoP and he's also talking about different approaches, equipment, methods and so on that he used on many of the records that he worked on..
link:
Michael Wagener talking

the second link is Flemming Rasmussen talking (he produced ..And Justice for All and many many more albums), he's talking IN DETAIL also about methods and equipment that he used , he even scanned his notes back from '88. that he made including complete amp settings, mics, pres, eqs, compressors, every-*******-thing! There are even pictures from the studio..
second link
Flemming Rasmussen talking

unbelievable, even if you're not interested in audio engineering, this is an amazing piece of info, both of these threads.


Michael Wagener told me that the guitars on my "Fishy-remastered" clip sound great 8)

 

[ytse_jam]

really interesting and specific explanations! did really wagener listen to your clip, mrmot? yours' a great sound! i think he didn't appreciate the use of the 2.5$ mic although! 8)
...waiting fore other clips!

 

[Mrmot]

really interesting and specific explanations! did really wagener listen to your clip, mrmot? yours' a great sound! i think he didn't appreciate the use of the 2.5$ mic although! 8)
...waiting fore other clips!

yes, i asked him over PM's to take 40secs of time and listens it. He said that the guitars sound great(exact word ) but the drums too compressed(they are) for his tastes... 8) 8) 8)
I later told him that it was recorded with the 2.5$ mic :lol: