"Recollection" - new version

[gonzo]

"Recollection" - new version

http://soundcloud.com/bats-brew/recollect-ver2


all mark2b, combination of room mic, and Palmer PDI-09 on each guitar track.


brand new drum track.
using Toontrack Superior Drummer, Avatar kit.
completely different feel than the first version..
with a more 'rock' drum groove, than the original funky thing.

'from the ground up' new mix-
this is a much more aggressive mix than the original.


i think i need to bring the drums up more in the mix, yes, no?


i played some fun tricks with a 'room' mic on the final solo, how do you think it translated?


a pic of the wave before i mastered it. it sounds WAY better than the mastered version.........?!
but very quiet.... like U2's 'the joshua tree' in terms of final level. i think the average RMS is about -24. LOL

 

[joe web]

sounds nice, but for my taste a bit too much reverb / room on the drums and the guitars.

 

[gonzo]

hey joe, thanks for listening.


i don't think there's any reverb on anything in this mix....i'll have to go back and make sure of that....
there is delay on the guitars, some are wet, some are dry...
and room mics, on the kit.

i don't know, having some fx on some tunes is a good balance to totally bone dry mixes (i have some of those too) and it never scared bands like pink floyd, who used reverb and delay like a religion!
LOL

 

[masque]

hey gonzo....your recordings are always top notch and your guitars tones are killer.

i notice that you almost always seem to record your guitars via the Palmer......do you do this because you like the way this sounds better than micing a cab or because you dont want the loud volume of cabinet in your studio?

the reason I ask is that I am becoming very intrigued about maybe getting one of the Palmers and wanted to know your thoughts.

 

[gonzo]

well, i will almost always use a mic, when i can crank.

i haven't had that option during the times when i've recorded lately, so i thought i would focus on finding the best tone possible, using the palmer alone.


that said, i'm still not there yet, but getting closer with each recording session.

i'm learning, how the direct signal gets affected depending on how i set the treble and presence on the amp (since it's direct, i'm finding i can lower my presence and treble and still get CLARITY- but getting the gain dialed in correctly, is key..... and it REALLY has taught me how much the speaker itself, gives the tone the edge, or rather, how it ATTENUATES treble, into those nice frequencies we like to hear.)

i think it's a GREAT tool to use.


my next experiment:

i'm thinking of buying a low watt clean amp, like a fender champ...

and using a splitter, send one signal to the fender, and mic it, pan it hard right...

take the other signal, run it thru the boogie and into the palmer, with all my gain, and pan that hard left...
only, i'll also mic the boogie, and mix THAT miced track hard right, with the fender.

you can see what i'm going for....

with that spread, i'll probably go for single rhythm guitar tracks, with no overdubs, just 3 different sonic treatments of the one performance.

just thinking out loud here....

thanks for checking the tune out!

 

[masque]

well, i will almost always use a mic, when i can crank.

i haven't had that option during the times when i've recorded lately, so i thought i would focus on finding the best tone possible, using the palmer alone.


that said, i'm still not there yet, but getting closer with each recording session.

i'm learning, how the direct signal gets affected depending on how i set the treble and presence on the amp (since it's direct, i'm finding i can lower my presence and treble and still get CLARITY- but getting the gain dialed in correctly, is key..... and it REALLY has taught me how much the speaker itself, gives the tone the edge, or rather, how it ATTENUATES treble, into those nice frequencies we like to hear.)

i think it's a GREAT tool to use.


my next experiment:

i'm thinking of buying a low watt clean amp, like a fender champ...

and using a splitter, send one signal to the fender, and mic it, pan it hard right...

take the other signal, run it thru the boogie and into the palmer, with all my gain, and pan that hard left...
only, i'll also mic the boogie, and mix THAT miced track hard right, with the fender.

you can see what i'm going for....

with that spread, i'll probably go for single rhythm guitar tracks, with no overdubs, just 3 different sonic treatments of the one performance.

just thinking out loud here....

thanks for checking the tune out!

thanks for the info! i cant wait to hear your experiment! keep us posted.

 

[mcnamee]

Likewise, great tune, great tone, great recording, and the greatest part of all.... that you're cool enough to share your technique and tips with us.

Keep it up.

 

[gonzo]

mcnamee
thanks, and you're welcome...