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metalmarlon

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Is there a site that has the Rec. revision break down like this one does for the Mark III

http://homepage.mac.com/mesaboogie/dot.html

I have a Rev C Dual Rec and it seems to be the only Rec that "crunches" all Recs that I have played always seem to be spongy and do more of a "whomp" when palm muting. Even my tremoverb has this problem.

But my Rev C Dual Rec has "crunch" a lot like a Mark series amp. Is this specific to this era or are there others?
 
Yes, there was a whole site up on it but it is currently down at the moment. If you use the search function, you can find a lot of thread on the topic here.

As far as I recall: Original Dual Rectifiers were made using Mark III Output Trannies. The circuit board / tone was slightly different in design and purpose.

Rev C #5 ish first couple of hundred. Brightest tone with a sharp, crisp, and aggressive attack. Poor cleans.
Rev D up until around 600+ Darker tone but still fast. More suitable to rhythm. Poor cleans.
Rev E (not much is known) 700 - 800 ish?
Rev F New circuitboard design with improved clean. Up to about #3000. Most were still using the Mark III tranny but mine has the same OT as a Rev G Darker with phatter low end and more sag.

Rev G: 2 channel duals from about 3000 onward. Quintessential 90s recto tone.

To my ears, the early duals sound much more similar to a Soldano SLO than the later ones do. Even my Rev F has a unique tone which my brother originally noted. I think this is all the info I can remember.

Aesthetic features of early Dual Rectifiers. Small Mesa Engineering logo. Attached Power Chord. Low Serial Number. Smooth leather cover instead of Rhino tolex. Serial effects loop instead of parallel. 8 ohm 8 ohm 4 ohm 4ohm speaker lead outputs. (no 16 ohm one) On the circuitboard by the filter caps: Rev C, D, E, F etc printed.
They had some signatures listed but George Muller is the only one I can remember off hand. The circuit board would be initialed GM. Note that there was a gradual changeover in parts. Some heads can share features of both the early dual and the Rev G model. There were actually serial numbers for the PT, OT, and Choke, at the Boogie Archives but I can't remember those offhand. What I do know is that my amp has EVERY defining feature of a Revision F (early) Dual BUT the Mark III Tranny. ScreamingDaisy also has a Rev F but his does have the Mark III tranny.
 
I would assume my 2 channel Triple Rec is a rev G. The serial number is R-005883. Mine is the attached cord.
 
Why not pull the chassis off of the headshell and look on the circuitboard near the big blue caps. (DON'T TOUCH THEM) It should tell you the revision printed right on the circuit board!
 
metalmarlon said:
Found something, I will leave it here for others

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=620707&highlight=revision

It is a couple of posts down.

From what it says the C is perfect for me. I have a friend that has a rev D so I want to try that out.

And I must say, the cleans on the rev C are good. I use the G-major 2, put some reverb, delay, and chorus and BAMN!!!! Great cleans.

As the author of the website in question that is down, the gentleman who provided that information did a great job at providing a strong summary of the revisions.
 
Hey, how can i confirm mine has mark 3 transformer. I always assumed but don't think I actually checked?
 
R-0514 to R-0627 are Revision E's. Great amps but still haven't been able to compare them to a Rev C or D. At the time, they were the first and last known Revision E's, but I think there has been another found (maybe 629?)
 
YellowJacket said:
Why not pull the chassis off of the headshell and look on the circuitboard near the big blue caps. (DON'T TOUCH THEM) It should tell you the revision printed right on the circuit board!


okay...simple enough.
 
Originally Posted by somedude View Post
Here's the gist....

Rev A and B - Preproduction, never released

Rev C - First production version. Went to around 280 units. Brighter, tighter and more aggressive than later versions. Clean mode sucked.

Rev D - A bit darker, although tonally not much different than a C. The assumption is that Boogie wanted to improve the rhythm tone. Went from around 280 to 513 or so and ceased production in Aug 92.

Rev E - Not much is known about it as there were only somewhere around 110 to 150 released. Presumably it sits somewhere between D and F in terms of tone. This was a transition version with a lot of mods done to an earlier PCB, so there may have been changes made from amp to amp at some points. Presumably Rev F superceeded it as soon as the new PCBs arrived.

Ref F - A bit darker, but still bright by Rev G standards. Also voiced looser than previous revisions. Much better clean channel. Went from around 650 to 2820 and ceased production in late 1993. These are the last of the Rectifiers using the Mark III transformer.

Ref G - Darker yet. Rev G is the final 2 channel revision and is built around a different transformer than the previous revisions. It went from around serial number 2822 in late 1993 until it ceased production somewhere around 16,000 units in 2000. It is darker, looser, and has more bottom end than previous versions. Also has the best clean channel, a parallel effects loop and is the first to have the solo volume boost feature. Although many will argue pre-500 this and rev whatever that sound better, THIS revision is the classic 90s Dual Rectifier tone.

I believe the Tremoverb is based off the Rev G.

I don't think it's any secret that the Recto was based off the SLO-100. The earlier revisions (C through F) are brighter and more agressive. Some would say "More Marshall like". Later revisions (D through G) progressed towards sounding bigger and heavier, culmonating in the Revision G, which was the final revision of the original 2 channel Dual.

Arguably, the earlier revisions are better for lead players while the later versions are better for rhythm. I've read that a boosted Rev F gets into Rev C territory on aggression and tightness. I don't know if this holds true for Rev Gs as they're based around a different transformer, but I do know that using an OD does still tighten them up and add more cut.

Although originally designed as a hair metal lead amp, some people will argue that the 2 channel's voicing was darkened to make it more suitable for grunge. My personal opinion is that this argument doesn't hold a lot of water as the revision G was already out prior to Soundgarden releasing Superunknown and it was that album (plus Korn's self titled released later that year) that kick started the sales of that amp. I believe the gradual darkening of the amp was simply Boogie's attempt to make the amp more versitile (ie, better cleans, better high gain rhythm).

The above is a mix of my own opinion and stuff I've read off the internet over the years. I own an F, have played Gs (never back to back with the F however) and used to own a Recto Pre/2:100 rack setup. I've never played a 3 channel, so don't ask my opinion on it. I will state that when the 3-channel was relatively new there were plenty of people who liked it better than the 2-channel due to it's extra brightness/cut (and the third channel). Now conventional internet wisdom teaches people to hate it due to it being too bright/fizzy... so as always, your mileage may vary. The Roadster is very highly rated. I've talked to a few people online who've replaced their early 2 channels with the Roadster. Some claim it sounds just as good or better, and others claim that although it isn't quite as good as their 2 channel, the increased functionality of having 4 channels outweighs the small decrease in tonal performance when it comes to live applications.

I believe that Boogie's original intent was for the amp to be used as a crunch/lead amp with the guitarist using the guitar's volume knob for cleans, hence clean mode being a bit of an afterthought that originally worked like ****. It actually does work pretty good this way.

I will say however that using it as a clean/crunch amp does tend to work better if you don't want to fiddle with your knobs. Problem is that now you need an OD pedal for leads. I think this is why Boogie added the 'solo boost' feature on the Rev G.... increased compression through hitting the power tubes harder, plus a nice step out in volume to assist in cut/presence. However, the solo boost does have it's limits since you have a shared EQ between rhythm and lead tones, so if you want a slightly scooped feeling rhythm tone your leads are going to have trouble cutting, or conversely if you want a compressed and mid heavy lead tone your rhythm tone will be messy as ****... which is probably why they eventually added dedicated clean channel to free up the original two channels so they can be dialled in for optimum rhythm/lead use.

And to add to that... sometimes you want cleaner cleans, and sometimes you want overdriven cleans. Enter the 4th channel.

In short... consider the tone of the amp, but also consider your application. I love my Rev F, however I'd love a pure volume solo boost since I hate adding gain as it kills the touch, and there's times where those extra 2 channels would definetly come in handy. The only thing holding me back from getting a Roadster is that i already own a Dual Recto, won't sell the one I have and can't justfy owning two. Plus I want a Mark V more than I want a second Recto.
 
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