Rack Tuners and Multi-Effects for my rack ...

[Dror520]

Hi, I'm building a rack and i have two questions ....
which one is a better unit: the Behringer BTR2000 2-Channel RACKTUNER and Metronome or the Korg DTR-1000 Rackmount Digital Tuner
and a Rocktron Xpression or the TC Electronic G-major ?

and why u made the decision ... thx

 

[tedsticle]

Rack Tuners seem cool and everything. There lights *blink* and look neat in the dark. Honestly though, I'd go for a floor tuner. You'd be saving yourself space for something else, plus money. Also, you don't really want your tuner in the signal path, so you can throw it in a volume pedal keeping it out of the signal path. This will also give ya silent tuning and the tuner is there in front of you instead of having to look back or whatever.

 

[6L6C]

Rack Tuners seem cool and everything. There lights *blink* and look neat in the dark. Honestly though, I'd go for a floor tuner. You'd be saving yourself space for something else, plus money. Also, you don't really want your tuner in the signal path, so you can throw it in a volume pedal keeping it out of the signal path. This will also give ya silent tuning and the tuner is there in front of you instead of having to look back or whatever.

Excellent points! Have had a few rack tuners but now use a Boss TU-2 and really like it allot. Upfront, mutes everything also has a fast processor reacts very fast.

 

[Dror520]

you're saying that if i buy a volume pedal that has a output for a tuner ... and the tuner is not a true bypass tuner it will make it bypassed ? because i want only bypassed pedals ... thx

 

[masque]

you're saying that if i buy a volume pedal that has a output for a tuner ... and the tuner is not a true bypass tuner it will make it bypassed ? because i want only bypassed pedals ... thx

what he is saying is that the volume pedal has a regular out for your signal going to the amp and then anouther output dedicated to routing the signal to the tuner....it's never in your signal chain....so it s a good option.

i personally own two rackmount korg tuners and two of the boss floor tuners......they all work wonderfully. i would not hesitate buying any of them.....so think about which setup would work best for you personally and then pull the trigger on that tuner.

 

[Dror520]

Do you mean like this pedal: https://store.ernieball.com/product/part_number=P06180/574.0.23625.23625.0.0.0

 

[Dror520]

Lets say I have a tuner ... What Multi-Effect processor will you recommend me to get ?

 

[joe web]

as far as the multieffects:
i love the 80s style sound of the old intellifex, which is a cool multi, but not so many effects in it.
never heard the Xpression, but i think it couldn´t be bad.
the speakersimulation is cool for recording.

after 4 years of the using the g-major now, i would buy it again.
alot of effects, everything can be controlled via midi+expressionpedals, there is a perfect PC editor out there and it has a TUNER integrated.
so you wouldn´t have to buy an extra 19" tuner.

 

[Dror520]

How is the Lexicon MPX1 ?

 

[6L6C]

How is the Lexicon MPX1 ?

Had one (as you have figured out by now I’m a bit of a gear junkie)

Got one when they first came out years ago, great sounding piece of gear but it had a very short life in my rack. When you switched programs the sound would completely drop out, totally unacceptable. At the time I knew there was a upgrade chip coming out to address the problem so out it came and waited for the chip (like I said sounded awesome). Placed new chip in now what it could do when you switched programs your direct sound remained constant but effect signal would drop completely and the next program took anywhere from 0.5 to a full second to load. It was a disturbing transition to say the least; it was better but still unacceptable for a guitar rig. So at the time back went the Intellifex which is not currently in my rig but still own it.

Important! If someone tells you to avoid the drop outs you just have to maintain the same block configuration don’t believe it, it does help but it is still there.

 

[Dror520]

thx again 6L6C !!! What do you have in you're rack now ?? and how is the MPX G2 ?

 

[6L6C]

thx again 6L6C !!! What do you have in you're rack now ?? and how is the MPX G2 ?

Dam it! You got me on that one.

What I’m currently running is a little different. I’m using both a Digitech GSP1101 and a Rocktron Xpression. I’m only using half of the 1101 (that’s right half) before the preamp and in the effects loop I have the Xpression. This setup has been working pretty dam good for me. Oh I also have a Dunlop rack mount wah. If you care for me to explain why I’m doing this, no problem but I have some typing to do.

Notice you are doing allot of research on processors, keep in mind it’s all taste really, sometimes functionality does creep in there also there is no perfect processor. Bottom line your Rocktron, TC Electronics, Lexicon, Digitech, blah blah, all sound pretty good (medium to high priced units)


Forgot! If you are going from the stomp box world to the processor world you might want to take a close look at the GSP1101 this unit covers allot of ground.

 

[tedsticle]

I own a T.C. G-Force and it is the only MultiFX Unit I've ever owned. It's an awesome unit, but doesn't do everything great. Which brings me to a little ramble I'd like to spit out.
Multi-FX Units I'm starting to doubt. The reason is some effects sound awesome in parallel with a Line Mixer. BUT, other effects have to be in series. Yes, it is possible to run a Multi FX Unit in series and parallel, but when you have a series effect such as a tremelo trying to work with a reverb.....the reverb has to stay in series with the tremelo. And Yes, maybe I'm being picky, because delays, reverbs, and choruses CAN sound good in series.
It's just not the same though after you hear an effect in parallel. After hearing the delays out of my G-Force in parallel, I will never go back to series with my delays....exception, a 2290. I'm gonna get expensive here, but this is the best way in my opinion.
A dedicated unit for 1.Delay, 2.Reverb, and 3.Chorus all thrown in a line mixer to run in parallel. Forget about a MultiFx Unit if you have the money. Put anything else you want in series...Pedals or Rack Fx.

 

[6L6C]

tedsticle

I pretty much get what you are talking about, funny thing a unit from years ago addressed most of your concerns the Alesis Quadraverb 2 not to be confused with the original Quadraverb or the Quadraverb GT.
It had one of the best mix sections I have ever seen to date (too bad it colored your sound a fair amount). It was based on eight effect blocks these blocks could be anything you want so if you wanted eight choruses, go for it! (just giving extremes)the unit was at its most powerful in a series loop (physical loop) after that you could pretty much do anything else with in the unit. Each effect could be either series or parallel and many other things in between.
Example you could set up that tremolo effect kill the direct signal which made it in series now you could take reverb as for input you can tap the direct signal (direct is still not heard at the output) or the reverb could have a mix of either the direct or the output of the trem effect anywhere from with any ratio. This is really very mild example, each effect block could accept up to 3 different inputs. Too much to type what the mix section was capable of.

 

[Dror520]

Hi I have read the Xpression manual and the what I love about it that no other processor do is that you can compare the preset w/ changes and the preset w/o the change ... that is so awesome !!!

 

[Dror520]

I'm thinking to get the g-major ... should I buy it used or new ?

 

[tedsticle]

Just make sure you know the history of the USED G-Major. Get pictures and ask questions. That's really all you can do.

 

[Dror520]

I still don't know which effect to get the g-major or the Xpression ... and how about the g-force is really way better than the g-major ??

 

[joe web]

I still don't know which effect to get the g-major or the Xpression ... and how about the g-force is really way better than the g-major ??

the big difference is the routing option of the effects, that you have an intelligent pitchshifter and the display.
the AD/DA section is the same as used with the g-major.
i know a few guys, who own both unites and they all say, that there is no difference in sound while using the same effectsetup with a preset.

as said before, if you buy a g-major, you´ll have a tuner integrated.
for me it´s a perfect multieffect unite for a good price.

 

[Dror520]

long time no post here ... what to you guys think about the Lexicon MPX-1 ? there are a lot of these units in the bay ...