Mesa Mark IIC++ reissue confirmed

[sloanthebone]

Coming in May. Limited to 200

 

[Eevil]

Proper limited strategy to pump up the price

 

[fretout]

I read someplace that someone asked Mike B if the new C+ Reissues could be modded to C++ specs, and Mike B mentioned that he wasn’t sure if they could be or not.

The fact that M/B would release the C++ as its own standalone amp model ALSO seems to imply that the new C+ Reissues can’t be modded to C++ specs.

I wonder what would prevent the C+ from being modded to C++ specs? I’d imagine that there’s some proprietary layouts between the new Reissues.

I really wish manufacturers would stop with these “limited edition” products. Would it be so difficult to manufacture these things on an order by order basis? The forced scarcity of really neat products is a terrible precedent, and it strikes me as disrespectful to the customer. And this is coming from someone that owns a few limited amps/guitars.

Are people going to jump on the IIC++ now, or wait for when M/B announces a IIC++ Coliseum head. Maybe it’ll be artificially limited to 73 units again…

 

[dtrax]

The ++ mod at it's core adds a 2.2uF cap to the 5th stage cathode. This increases gain by about 6dB, but keeps the low end at bay, so to speak. And IRCC, to compensate for the added gain MB strategically reduced the gain throughout the preamp. Off the top of my head they added a 100k resistor between the treble wiper and volume pot, so even if you dimed both there would still be some attenuation.

I can't speak to layout considerations, as well as the switching involved. But frankly, hardwiring a R/I 2C+ to ++ specs would be easy, assuming the schematics I've seen are to be trusted. This release just seems like a money grab, but what do I know.

 

[JustPassingThrough]

If he says "yeah they can be modded easily" he's made the new release pointless. Mike works for Mesa, part of his job is to protect Mesa's business interests, which is selling the amps and is not in demystifying them.

Once again it's the sizzle they're selling, not the steak.

I'd wager it could be modded very easily, but they're not going to tell you how. Why should they.

 

[fretout]

If he says "yeah they can be modded easily" he's made the new release pointless. Mike works for Mesa, part of his job is to protect Mesa's business interests, which is selling the amps and is not in demystifying them.

Once again it's the sizzle they're selling, not the steak.

I'd wager it could be modded very easily, but they're not going to tell you how. Why should they.

That absolutely seems like the Gibson business model. However, there is a big difference between “difficult” and “cannot”.

Mike hasn’t had any problem refusing the C++ mod in the past, so if it was an unwillingness on his part, I’d assume he’d just say so.

We’ll see soon enough though. I have a bandmate that bought both, so comparing them will be easy to do soon.

 

[meesa_jarjar]

100% they are capitalizing on the hype., meaning they could've easily made all of the the reissues switchable +/++. It's a few dollars in basic parts they already have on the shelf. This is the Gibson we've all read about.

Also want to add that I'm a ++ fanboy and hope to own one someday, whenever I have disposable income to throw at one. Most likely I'll have to settle with building my own though.