Mark llC+ without GEQ.

[DaveP]

I did a search and couldn't find the answer to this. Hoping someone could help me out.

I have the version without the GEQ. Is there an outboard unit that is similar to the Mesa version?
If not can anyone recommend a good external GEQ to put in the loop to get me close.
I figure since the GEQ is after the preamp and before the power amp a quality EQ can provide me additional tonal options if inserted in the effects loop.

Thanks for your help.

 

[JohnDNJ]

I did a search and couldn't find the answer to this. Hoping someone could help me out.

I have the version without the GEQ. Is there an outboard unit that is similar to the Mesa version?
If not can anyone recommend a good external GEQ to put in the loop to get me close.
I figure since the GEQ is after the preamp post power amp a quality EQ can provide me additional tonal options if inserted in the effects loops.

Thanks for your help.

mxr 10 band eq

 

[DaveP]

Thanks John, one more question popped into mind. In the models with EQ built in is the EQ before or after the effects loop?

 

[Elpelotero]

There is no pedal that will get you what Mesa offers. I did lots of research, and it simply doesn't exist, past or present. The reason is twofold: 1) no other company matches the same frequencies exactly. 2) Few pedals will be as transparent as the Mesa EQ.

If I were to go down this route, I'd go for a parametric EQ with 5 bands so you could dial in the exact frequencies you want.

 

[DaveP]

There is no pedal that will get you what Mesa offers. I did lots of research, and it simply doesn't exist, past or present. The reason is twofold: 1) no other company matches the same frequencies exactly. 2) Few pedals will be as transparent as the Mesa EQ.

If I were to go down this route, I'd go for a parametric EQ with 5 bands so you could dial in the exact frequencies you want.

Thanks for the advise. I looked for a good quality 5 band and pickin's are slim. The MXR 10 band as suggested gets great reviews, as far a parametric eq's the Empress Paraeq 3 band looks promising.

 

[Elpelotero]

Try to go for 5 bands for parametric, otherwise you defeat the purpose.

 

[JohnDNJ]

the 5 band para will do the trick for sure BUT the volume and gain sliders on the mxr
are REALLY good for juicing the amp more and getting some great tones.

also, run it in the loop.

 

[Philhouse]

Hi,
I'm using a snipered GE-7 in the loop. I reckon it works fine. Its pretty effective and quiet overall. It doesn't take much boost/cut to make a big difference in the sound. I try to use my ears more than my eyes to EQ it. I do wish my amp had the EQ inbuilt, but hey...
I'm sure if I had the time and money to throw at testing all the alternatives I may find a better one, but... I'd rather just make the most of what I've got.

Cheers,

Phil.

 

[DaveP]

I found this information on the Fractal Forum, interesting.

'Analysis of a Mesa/Boogie Mark IV schematic revealed the following settings for recreating the famous amp's graphic EQ.'

Frequencies:

* 87.61 Hz
* 371.74 Hz
* 723.43 Hz
* 1575.87 Hz
* 4822.88 Hz

Q:

* 1.414 (ideal for octave equalizer)
* 1.3 (actual, due to component values used)

'There's about 18dB of cut and 17dB of boost. This is in the ideal world, so +/- 15dB was probably the design goal. The pot response is logarithmic – i.e. most of the cut/boost is near the end of the pot travel. Also, this is not a constant Q design, so the Q decreases (or bandwidth increases) with less boost or cut.

 

[tony777]

Thanks John, one more question popped into mind. In the models with EQ built in is the EQ before or after the effects loop?

The GEQ is after the FX loop