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Iceman63

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Hello all,
As far as pre-amp tubes go, is there a higher gain tube than a 12AX7? Or just higher gain varieties of 12AX7's?
 
The 12AX7 is the highest gain of the tubes in that series. The best you can do is to select ones with higher than average gain, but it still won't do much, at most you might get an extra 10% or so.
 
Thanks Trem. I contacted Bob at Eurotubes. He said something about an ECC83S would give as much gain as the amp will produce. But it may also me marginal, as you said.
 
The gain of each tube stage is determined at least as much by the circuit as the tube type, too - changing the tube has a lot less effect than altering the circuit, which is why the difference between even a 12AX7 and say a 12AT7 which only has 60% of the gain, doesn't seem to make as much difference as that usually. But for example doubling the value of the plate resistor will double the gain, very nearly - a lot more effective. There is a limit even to that, and you start to affect the tone if you go too far as well, which is why the values used in most amps are within a fairly small range - you won't normally see a plate resistor lower than 47Kohms or higher than 220K, with 100K being by far the most common value.

And way, way more effective than any of this is simply to run a boost pedal in front of the amp - you can easily get 20dB like that, which is equivalent to 100 times as much gain, far beyond anything you can do with the amp.
 
konstantine RK said:
how about the SPAX7?

is that gainier than the mesa 12AX7?

IME, it has just a slight more gain and perhaps a slightly wider range of gain as well. But this is miniscule in terms of what the amp can already do...
 
yea ... I like the rubber cover on the tube though...

Im still looking for a good pre amp cocktail to get that gain without the cleans being so dirty sounding on the Roadking 1

Until I can afford a Roadking 2!
 
konstantine RK said:
yea ... I like the rubber cover on the tube though...

Im still looking for a good pre amp cocktail to get that gain without the cleans being so dirty sounding on the Roadking 1

Until I can afford a Roadking 2!

The high gain 6 preamp tube set from Doug's might do the trick for you...it really turned my Recto Pre around.
 

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