Help hooking up 2 Marshall 1960 cabinets to Roadster head.

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BILLIAM666

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I just picked up a second Marshall JCM 900 1960 cabinet and wish to hook them up to my Roadster head.
The cabinets can switch from 4 to 16 ohms. What would be the best way to hook them both up for optimum performance? The manual says a safe mismatch is 2 16 OHMs cabinets each to the two 4 OHMs jacks on the head. Is that better than getting a 8 OHM series box and setting the cabinets to 4 OHMs and hooking to box to one 8 OHM jack on the head??
 
Run both on 16 ohm mono, and since you are running two, then you would plug both into the two 8ohm jacks in the back of the head. When running one cab, you match the impedance, when running two cabs, you cut the cab's impedance in half for the two cabs.

-AJH
 
That is the thing, the Roadster has two 4 OHM, just one 8 OHM, & one 16 OHM jacks. - Bill
 
You can run the safe mismatch 16ohm in each 4ohm. I'm not sure if it will be as efficient as the correct way but it will work. Or you can get the box converter. Or you can wire your cabinets to have an input and output jacks in the back and daisy chain both cabs to produce the 8ohm impedance from the two 16ohm mono cabs.
 
MesaENGR412 is right on the money.
The "4 ohm" jacks are misleading, and it's Mesa's fault. They are meant to handle two EIGHT ohm cabs, making the total load 4 ohms, hence the misleading label. Two 16 ohm cabs, one in each "4 ohm" jack, will yield a load of 8 ohms total. Normal, no mis-match. Two 4 ohm cabs will bring the load down to 2 ohms, not good. I could be wrong, but I think setting the Marshall cabs to 4 ohms splits the cab into two 2 x 12 sections for stereo, doesn't it?

Page 12 of the Roadster manual:
"Two 4 Ohm, one 8 Ohm and one 16 Ohm jack are provided for speaker interfacing. The Roadster is not very sensitive
to speaker mismatches and will not be damaged by them, except that very low ohmage loads will cause the power tubes to wear faster. A single twelve-inch 8 Ohm speaker should generally be connected to the 8 Ohm output.

When using two 8 Ohm speakers, connect them both to the 4 Ohm outputs provided (because the total load is 4 Ohms in that case.)

(And two 16 ohm cabs equals 8 ohms total. With any two cabs in parallel, the total load is half the impedance of one cab.)

Check out the information further back in this manual regarding speaker impedance and possible speaker hook-up schemes. 4x12 cabinets may be 4, 8 or 16 Ohms. If you are not sure of the impedance of your cabinet, you may need to remove the Rear Panel in order to verify the impedance rating of the individual speaker or speakers. MESA 4x12 and 4x10 cabinets come standard wired to 8 Ohms, and are wired in series/parallel. Some Non-MESA 4x12 cabinets are wired 16 Ohms using four 16 Ohm speakers. By wiring all four speakers in parallel, you can reduce the cabinet to an impedance load of 4 Ohms (assuming the speakers are 16 Ohms each.) No matter how unusual your speaker setup, it is always possible to get good performance."

Hope this helps :D
 
BILLIAM666 said:
That is the thing, the Roadster has two 4 OHM, just one 8 OHM, & one 16 OHM jacks. - Bill

Ahh I'm sorry man, I can't read :lol: . I just looked at your post and it says right there you only have one 8 ohm jack. I now see the problem. The safe mismatch will work fine, but might work the power tubes a little harder.

-AJH
 
Where can you buy a converter box? I can't find them for sale, how much are they?
 
What I would do is to rewire the cabinets - or at least one. Remove the whole PCB with the switch and the two jacks on it - they're a cause of unreliability and possibly even poor tone - and keep for if you ever want to put it back. The wire the cabinet for 16 ohms using all soldered connections and two standard plain mono jacks, connected in parallel. Now you have a much more reliable 16-ohm cab with a daisy-chain output. Connect this cab to the amp's 8-ohm jack, and connect the second cab's 16-ohm jack (if you haven't also rewired this one) to the other jack on the first cab.
 
From the manual:
When using two 8 Ohm speakers, connect them both to the 4 Ohm outputs provided (because the total load is 4 Ohms in that case.)

(And two 16 ohm cabs equals 8 ohms total. With any two cabs in parallel, the total load is half the impedance of one cab.)

8 ohms is normal. No re-wiring re-quired. :lol:
 
MrMarkIII said:
From the manual:
When using two 8 Ohm speakers, connect them both to the 4 Ohm outputs provided (because the total load is 4 Ohms in that case.)

(And two 16 ohm cabs equals 8 ohms total. With any two cabs in parallel, the total load is half the impedance of one cab.)

8 ohms is normal. No re-wiring re-quired. :lol:
once again, his amp only has 1 (one) 8ohm tap.
 
94Tremoverb said:
What I would do is to rewire the cabinets - or at least one. Remove the whole PCB with the switch and the two jacks on it - they're a cause of unreliability and possibly even poor tone - and keep for if you ever want to put it back. The wire the cabinet for 16 ohms using all soldered connections and two standard plain mono jacks, connected in parallel. Now you have a much more reliable 16-ohm cab with a daisy-chain output. Connect this cab to the amp's 8-ohm jack, and connect the second cab's 16-ohm jack (if you haven't also rewired this one) to the other jack on the first cab.
^this +1. the marshall cab stereo/mono swithing pcb is a piece of rubbish.
 
MrMarkIII said:
From the manual:
When using two 8 Ohm speakers, connect them both to the 4 Ohm outputs provided (because the total load is 4 Ohms in that case.)

(And two 16 ohm cabs equals 8 ohms total. With any two cabs in parallel, the total load is half the impedance of one cab.)

8 ohms is normal. No re-wiring re-quired. :lol:

:|

For this to be normal with our roadster amps, there would have to be two 8ohm speaker outputs. But there is only one 16ohm, one 8ohm and two 4ohms. The safe mismatch is to place both 16ohm cabs in each 4ohm speaker output. Since it is a mismatch, there could be a slight difference in tone. I would refer to my previous post above for rewiring the cabs to have input/output to allow daisy chain like 94trem and I state or just run the safe mismatch. Not sure about where to get the series/parallel boxes but I assume they can be cheaply made with a diagram.
 

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