George Lynch

[khingpynn]

I did a search here on the board and found lots of great discussion on one of my alltime favorite players... George Lynch.

Im aware of george's use of the Dual Rec and I had a couple of Grail modules with both my Lynch Box heads. One I left unmodified and the other I tinkered with. The stock Grail is definetly one of my favorite MTS modules.

I dont use the Lynch Box anymore and I'm really digging the new Road King I just bought.

I'd like to open some discussion focused on how to get George like tones from the Road King... Dual Rec or Stiletto.

As I understand it the Road King has circuit designs of the Solo Dual Rec, Lone Start and Stiletto.

Cheers

 

[LesPaul70]

Like everybody will soon tell you, George Lynch's famous Rectifier tones are from a 'pre-500' Dual Rec. The later versions (including the Road King) are...different. In many ways. Different schematic, different output trannies, different sound. The pre-500 models were tighter, brighter, and more focused. Rectifier aficionados generally consider them the The Holy Grail of Rectifiers (rare, expensive, hard-to-find, a tone to die for).

That said, a Road King is so versatile that you ought to be able to get sort of close enough. Your guitar and, ultimately, your fingers will make probably a bigger difference.

 

[c.t.d-nicke]

Your guitar and, ultimately, your fingers will make probably a bigger difference.

+1

nicke

 

[khingpynn]

Agreed... and I'm not looking to copy George... he's an influence and I admit to gleaning some of his licks but... I'm looking mostly at capturing an essance of a tone... getting in that sort of ballpark. I dialed in a great 80's Lynch type tone last night at rehearsals using 4 x 6L6 tube rec, bold, and ch#3 on the vintage setting. I'm going to continue to refine it from there.

I'm open and look forward to hearing what others have done to achieve this type of sound.

When I did the search on GL here I read lots about the pre 500, pre 1000 Dual Recs... the hype the myth the truth and so on. There is something to be said about the early Dual Recs I'm sure and there will be ppl who will chase that tone till they find it then sell it and chase another tone. There have been many changes to the Dual Rec but I have to say I really enjoy the tones and flexibility of the current version of the Road King. I have noticed there is a similarity between the seetings I've mentioned above and the tones from a Soldano SLO... interesting for sure as thats one of my alltime favorite amps.

Thanks & Cheers

 

[boss4]

I have noticed there is a similarity between the seetings I've mentioned above and the tones from a Soldano SLO... interesting for sure as thats one of my alltime favorite amps.

Mine too!
And if that pursuit for the GL tone gets you motivated and makes you do good music, just keep on rockin and let us know what you achieve.

 

[khingpynn]

thanks for the kind words Boss4

 

[siggy14]

I used to own Rectifier R0005 and ended up selling it, I compared it to my roadking, and I kept the roadking. There were slight differences, yes the R0005 was tighter in the bottem end, could get brighter then the roadking, but way too bright if you ask me considering I would not see a need for that.

But in the end I could get my roadking to sound damn close, and I have more channels, a great clean. My friends wanted me to keep the R0005 as they loved it for recording solo's, however I just couldnt seem to let that amp sit around so it could be used to record solo's once every two years and the occasional time I would play it.

Plus I had heard, not sure how true, but the source is really good that the trannies in them could fry the whole board inside if a tube blew. I just did not want to take that chance.

As to Lynch, I have the DVD from Japan when he uses the rectifiers, I dont think his tone is his best, I think to this day he sounded best from the lynch mob tours/albums when he used Soldano SLO's.

Like everybody will soon tell you, George Lynch's famous Rectifier tones are from a 'pre-500' Dual Rec. The later versions (including the Road King) are...different. In many ways. Different schematic, different output trannies, different sound. The pre-500 models were tighter, brighter, and more focused. Rectifier aficionados generally consider them the The Holy Grail of Rectifiers (rare, expensive, hard-to-find, a tone to die for).

That said, a Road King is so versatile that you ought to be able to get sort of close enough. Your guitar and, ultimately, your fingers will make probably a bigger difference.

 

[khingpynn]

agreed... George's best tones are Lynch Mob era Soldano tones and 2nd best IMHO is the Purple Marshall tones from UL&K.
On the second Lynch Mob disk was he using the Dual Rec for lead work???

 

[tonemonster]

well, I honestly cant tell you how to get his recto tones because I never even knew he used rectos. I always went for his 80's sound...... I know the RK isnt the best tool for that, but you can get reasonably close. use chan 3 in vintage, EL34 tubes, bold mode, diodes, and use a tube screamer or boss sd-1 with the drive set very low. fiddle around with the eq to find the sweet spot. of course if your looking for George's 80's sound, get a Splawn quick rod. its basically dokken in a box.

 

[khingpynn]

it did not know that about the Splawn Quick Rod... thx.

 

[Chris McKinley]

George has always had one of my favorite tones, especially for epic, bombastic, volcanic 80's-style metal and lead playing. One of the keys to achieving his tone, which is quintessentially hot-rodded Marshall in essence, is a healthy dose of mids in the 500-800Hz range and lots of even-order harmonics, especially in his solos. "Room tone" is also a big part of the rhythm tone. Careful mic placement with front and back mics will get you the phase effect of the 20-40 millisecond delay that is a hallmark of his rhythm tone, and which provides some of the subtle "open wah" character that it has.

 

[khingpynn]

I've never miced both the back and front of an amp.... not even sure how to go about it. The Road King slant cab is sealed on the closed back side... no rear ports.
Any advice on how to go about doing this?

I use a technique called Shavering... I posted the tutorial in another thread here.
Here is the link...

http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2010/Dec/Eliminate_Mic_Placement_Guesswork_with_the_Shavering_Technique.aspx

I got the best results so far with mic placement by using this technique.