FIXED!!!Delay pedal (DD-3) Causing CLIPPING in effects loop?

[kingdomheights777]

Hey guys , currently running a Boss DD-3 and Super Chorus through the effects loop of my Mark V combo. But when the delay sound bounces back its distorted, even on clean. I fiddled with the levels and everything but nothing seemed to fix it. Any advice????

 

[4406cuda]

Is the delay pedal the only device that is distorting? I assume your chorus is not. Can you try your delay directly in to the amp and see if it distorts?

 

[kingdomheights777]

so are you saying to plug it into the front, or in the effects loop by itself. And no the chorus doesn't distort.

 

[4406cuda]

I would plug the delay in front of the amp by itself with a clean sound and see if it distorts.

 

[bartchamdoh]

I have found this to be the case no matter what amp i am using so have resorted to using a pedal board up front whenever i need delay, funnily enough the only delay that doesn,t seem to distort through the loop so far is my t c electronic,s g majors which i have set up with my rack mount mark 3.

 

[kingdomheights777]

its just weird cause the harder i hit the strings the more the "delayed sound" distorts.

I have always used a g major, but I didn't want to go that route again, just trying to keep it simple. So just using two pedals is plenty.

Could it be a preamp tube that run the effects loop?
I found that some people actually had other issues with Boss and Line 6 time based effects in Boogie effect loops. So i guess the same goes for this huh?

 

[t0aj15]

Most if not all of the Boss compact pedals are designed to accept instrument level signals and as such should be placed in front of the amp. The signal in the loop is line level and will usually overdrive those pedals causing distortion.

 

[hugsy41]

Have you got the send level for the effects loop all the way up? If so, try having the level in the middle position, to see if it helps. You're basically overloading the circuit with the amount of signal which is going into the DD-3. The harder you pick, the more volume, the larger the signal, the more distorted sound through the delays.

 

[kingdomheights777]

Should I try turning the "Effect Level" down on the DD-3? I have the level pretty low on the loop, I just have always thought for the best tone to not plug time related effects into the front of the amp. Thats what I have always lived by...how much of a difference will I hear between running in the front and running in the effects loop. (tone wise)


So should I run it this way in front of the amp....

AMP-DELAY-CHORUS-WAH-TUNER-GUITAR

 

[kingdomheights777]

You need to buffer the input with another pedal before the delay. If you want to continue using a "stomp-box" type delay, I would try the Boss RE-20. It sounds fantastic, and will internally buffer the signal via its input level select. You can also experiment by putting a 5751 tube before the effects loop to "cool-off" the input signal. If I'm not mistaken, MESA is loading the MKV's with JJ's 12AX7 tubes? These are "hot" tubes to be sure! Remove all the 12AX7 tubes, and replace them with Sovtek LPS 12AX7's. These are long-plate preamp tubes, with a slightly lower output. They're also a more musical tubes than its JJ's short-plate counterpart. You can swap the V1 valve with a JJ's ECC83, a Sovtek LPS. or a Jan Phillips 5751. Don't limit your options I always say mate! I use a Jan 5751 (SRV's secret weapon) in the V1 of my MK IIC+ exclusively. I do carry a JJ's ECC83 (12AX7) in the spare tube bracket - just in case. 8)
This reminds me... Will everyone please call MESA, and suggest:
1. Repositioning the V1 socket (in the rev B models) so tube swaps aren't so GD difficult!
2. Give channel 3 a "pull/deep" option. I can't believe they forgot to put that on channel 3! WTF?

Thanks for the input, at the moment since I have just bought the Mark V and an 2x12 Recto cab.( and I have two kids) lol. without spending any extra money, what can I do to make the best with the items I am using. From my research, I am seeing most people are running that DD-3 in the front of the amp.

 

[theroan]

Just adjust the effects level. What's happening is the delay sounds are louder in volume than the initial input volume. So if input is at say a 5 the subsiquent delays are coming out at 9 and then coming down in volume. You need to adjust it so that the repeats are coming on par or less than the initial volume level.

Had the same problem with my M-13.

However, if you've already done that, the pedal may be broken. If other pedals are in the loop and it's not doing it you've kind already addressed the problem is with the pedal and not the amp.

 

[kingdomheights777]

Just adjust the effects level. What's happening is the delay sounds are louder in volume than the initial input volume. So if input is at say a 5 the subsiquent delays are coming out at 9 and then coming down in volume. You need to adjust it so that the repeats are coming on par or less than the initial volume level.

Had the same problem with my M-13.

However, if you've already done that, the pedal may be broken. If other pedals are in the loop and it's not doing it you've kind already addressed the problem is with the pedal and not the amp.

so turn down the effect level on the pedal? and then put the Effects loop mix at what? I usually keep it in the middle

 

[kingdomheights777]

Well i just got off the phone with boogie tech support and he informed me to lower my master volumes on each channel (cause i did have them higher than the main output volume). So i am going to try that and see if that works

 

[theroan]

Just adjust the effects level. What's happening is the delay sounds are louder in volume than the initial input volume. So if input is at say a 5 the subsiquent delays are coming out at 9 and then coming down in volume. You need to adjust it so that the repeats are coming on par or less than the initial volume level.

Had the same problem with my M-13.

However, if you've already done that, the pedal may be broken. If other pedals are in the loop and it's not doing it you've kind already addressed the problem is with the pedal and not the amp.

so turn down the effect level on the pedal? and then put the Effects loop mix at what? I usually keep it in the middle

I would try it manually, just keep turning down the effects level while you're playing until the repeats stop sounding huge.

 

[kingdomheights777]

Well i ran home real quick to try turning the masters down in each channel and voila that worked. I then just turned the output up and everything works great!!
Sure am glad it was something simple.