Clean volume not high enough

[Raggi73]

I have a Dual 3ch rectifier (from 2007-8) and I love the metal tone, but my problem is:
When I find my perfect metal tone and I try to dial in the clean on ch1, it's distorting.
I turn the volume and gain up to try to find a balance between metal and clean sound, but it's not good.
All the tubes has benn changed once and I know they are OK. It's JJ electronics 6L6 tubes.

Anyone else have this problem or know how to solve it.
I'm using Esp with Emg-81 and 60 mics. I know they are hot and I have tried other guitars as well.

 

[LithiumZero]

Check the height of your pickups. You may be able to back them off a little and that will help.

 

[cheameup]

hey

It does take a bit of time to dial in . I have my clean volume at about 3 clock with the gain at 12 oclock and its a great clean sound . If I dig in with the guitar volume on 10 it breaks up a bit but if I roll back to 8 it doesnt .

You basically just have to roll off your channel masters on 2 and 3 till its balanced over all 3 and then pump up the output to level

 

[MesaENGR412]

I typically use the Solo function to boost the cleans if and when I need it to be a little louder. It is seemingly a true clean boost that won't distort.

-AJH

 

[CHATTERBOX]

I have a Dual 3ch rectifier (from 2007-8) and I love the metal tone, but my problem is:
When I find my perfect metal tone and I try to dial in the clean on ch1, it's distorting.
I turn the volume and gain up to try to find a balance between metal and clean sound, but it's not good.
All the tubes has benn changed once and I know they are OK. It's JJ electronics 6L6 tubes.

Anyone else have this problem or know how to solve it.
I'm using Esp with Emg-81 and 60 mics. I know they are hot and I have tried other guitars as well.

I also have the a late model 3 channel and I run my 1st channel on CLEAN with the volume and presence maxed with the gain at 9 o'clock, bass is at 2 o'clock mid at 12, and treble at 1 o'clock. I get a good clean sound and a nice cutting tone with minimal break up. It sounds full for chording and thick and punchy for palm muting. I set channels 2 and 3 as desired and use the output volume as a master. For live setting I have the output volume at around 12 or 1 o'clock depending on the room and how lively my drummer is that night.
I found the trick is to get your 1st channel as clean and loud as possible and then do your dirty channels after. You KNOW you can get a D.R. as filthy as you want. Cleans is the first step in my opinion.

 

[screamingdaisy]

If channel 1 isn't loud enough, turn channel 2 and 3 down.

 

[wta]

I'd suggest a 12ax7 in the V1 and V2 position that has more headroom. I've noticed a huge difference on my Dual Rec when getting the right tubes in these slots. I ordered a half a dozen different NOS and VOS tubes to try them out after doing a few hundered hours of research. My goal was the same, to get the biggest widest cleanest clean channel tone I could and still be balanced from teh lows to the highs. I've finally dialed in MY perferct sound. One thing I should add my guitar, pickups, pedals and cables are all dialed in as well BUT these preamp and power tubes have made a HUGE difference. I was amazed at how vital each preamp tube can be especially when you have the WRONG one in a slot its not right for. For exsample my V2 postition had a tube with low headroom and it was totally infecting not only my clean channel but my dirty as well (mine amp is a 2 channel tremoverb), I was shocked at how that one slot affected my whole rigs balance. I should also say I don't profess to be an expert by any means, there are FAR more qualifed guys on this forum to speak to this subject but I thought I might throw in my 2 cents worth hoping it might help in some way...

Cheers...

 

[rouleau]

I Have modify my mesa boogie foot switch for when i push the clean channel the solo goes on and when i switch to another channel the solo get out. i thing i posted the pic of the mod a few years ago on this forum. :mrgreen:

http://www.lsjb.ca/xoops/P1000545.JPG

 

[MesaENGR412]

I Have modify my mesa boogie foot switch for when i push the clean channel the solo goes on and when i switch to another channel the solo get out. i thing i posted the pic of the mod a few years ago on this forum. :mrgreen:

http://www.lsjb.ca/xoops/P1000545.JPG

I did that with my new MIDI setup, now I just step on one button and my clean+solo comes on together whenever I need it (among other things...I didn't get it just for that lol).

-AJH

 

[giantstepjoe]

I Have modify my mesa boogie foot switch for when i push the clean channel the solo goes on and when i switch to another channel the solo get out. i thing i posted the pic of the mod a few years ago on this forum. :mrgreen:

http://www.lsjb.ca/xoops/P1000545.JPG

I need to do this

 

[UnderJollyRoger]

I don't see any real advantage in this. As mentioned above, dial your clean in as you like (gain 12:00; volume 1:00 is a good start), set the desired output level with the Master volume and then adjust Channel 2 and 3 with the channel volumes.

 

[rouleau]

chanel 2 and 3 with chanel's volumes under 12 sound too much tinny in my case, i run the volume chanel over 1 if i want the same level with the clean chanel i have to set it at about 3 and it's too much. That's why i use the solo boost for the clean and solos.

 

[UnderJollyRoger]

Channel 2 & 3 Volume at 1:00 sounds pretty ear deafening to me; where is your Master ?

 

[Raggi73]

Thanks for the answers. Good ide about the boost. Will probram my Axess midi setup tonight.

 

[rouleau]

my master is about 9 o,clock, i use 2 X El34 Bold, Diode.

 

[UnderJollyRoger]

my master is about 9 o,clock, i use 2 X El34 Bold, Diode.

So you removed two tubes, running at 50 Watt EL34 ?

As I said, turn the Master Output up and the channel volume in the dirty channels down ... I'm no amp expert but I'm pretty sure your settings aren't the best for a good clean tone ... the experts here might comment on that, but running the clean volume high and then turning it down in the power amp section isn't the answer ...

 

[screamingdaisy]

my master is about 9 o,clock, i use 2 X El34 Bold, Diode.

So you removed two tubes, running at 50 Watt EL34 ?

As I said, turn the Master Output up and the channel volume in the dirty channels down ... I'm no amp expert but I'm pretty sure your settings aren't the best for a good clean tone ... the experts here might comment on that, but running the clean volume high and then turning it down in the power amp section isn't the answer ...

Most Mesa's open up when the master output is around 11:00 or higher, it sounds less choked off than if you crank the channel master up and run the master output really low.

 

[boss4]

I found the trick is to get your 1st channel as clean and loud as possible and then do your dirty channels after.

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