another Straight vs Slanted rectifier cab question, (sorry)

[moodyedge]

i just bought a duel rectifer head 3ch and am stuck with which cab to go for.

theres a few cabs ive saw and missed out on, I missed a 4x12 slanted cab by £5 and was gutted...they all seem to be slanted front cabs though on ebay. The straight cabs are rare and too expensive. Ive saw slanted ones sell for anything between £380 (i could have won that one) to £550+ this is for mint ones too

there was a brand new one (slanted again) for 450 i missed also. Im away on friday for 2 weeks and wanted to get one to go with my duel rectifier so I can band practice on the wed i get back...theres a few on there now but are all too expensive based on some ive seen sell below 450

i backed out of a 4x12 recifier cab i was winning on ebay, (sold for £380) as i was undecided if i wanted a slant front or not..........i have no idea which to get...I cant decide which i like or which would be best for me, not sure how anybody else will but worth a try

being over 6"3 and playing small-medium gigs the slant front could be usefull..but...maybe i dont want the sound blasting straight towards my ears....a matamp 2x12 i just sold which was 62cm square was low on the ground and sounded totally diff out front that where i stand......maybe a straight 4x12 rectifier cab would be much better.....and i may not require a slanted front...?

cant anyone give some advice..i cant try either (much like the head, i bought it blind on a hunch without ever hearing one in real life or playing one) pleased i did. After trying it through the matamp cab before deciding if i was keeping it.....i now want the cab to go with it

ive read on website that people say the slanted dont give as much bottom end etc etc...but if the speaker is angled more towards your head then it will appear that less bottom end will shine through due to the sound being aimed at you...like a staright cab, if you kneeled down while playing that would seem less bottom endey as the higher freq are heard more the closer to the line the sound is prject..(hope you can follow what im rambling about)


i know its another subjective slant or straight question..no doubt there has been a lot..icannot find previous posts on this...

the 2 in 1 slanted straight version is not an option, i have never saw one for sale on ebay over hear (UK)....so its staight or slanted are the 2 options on the table..

cheers boogie heads

 

[Metaltastic]

I think it's far smarter to play with a cab that will get the sound pointing directly at your ears so you can know what the audience is hearing (and of course be able to hear yourself better), so I vote Recto Standard (Oversized) Slant without a doubt!

 

[moodyedge]

I think it's far smarter to play with a cab that will get the sound pointing directly at your ears so you can know what the audience is hearing (and of course be able to hear yourself better), so I vote Recto Standard (Oversized) Slant without a doubt!

but will that mean that my amp cannot be as loud as the sound is angled out.....if its away from my ears i can have the over all volume higher as my ears can take that easier than if it was aimed more at my head.....................???? I like it loud as i dont mic the amp through the pa...the pa is fairly small.....600w bins and 300w tops a side. Were going to be upgrading that eventually but not for a while.



obviously if your not "in the line of fire" as far as barking speakers goes...you can have it a little louder than it if was aimed at your ears.....?

i dont hav a monitor either so thats maybe another tick in the slanted front cab box

maybe the fact that it has less volume may focus the mids a little more?? i play a classic rock/blues rock/nu metal type of stuff...we are covering stuff like audioslave/closure/shinedown/disturbed/skipknot as well as our own stuff which is a little like bluesy metal....audioslave meets early papa roach (infest) so it could help that possibly


to quote limp bizkit "i analyze every second i exist
beatin on my mind every second with my fists"

i tend to over anaylize any decision which can be tiring haha

 

[pokerrules47]

Go with a 4x12 behind or beside you, either slanted or straight. Direct that 4x12 away from you. Then use a 1x12 or 2x12 in front of you for a personal monitor. I prefer the 1x12 because I can put my foot over it to quiet it down if it's too loud. I use my brother in law's Yamaha 1x12 8ohm wedge monitor hooked into the 4ohm tap of my roadster, then I hook an 8ohm 4x12 into the other 4ohm tap. The monitor has a volume pot on it so I can adjust to taste. It's not a perfect representation of what everyone else hears, but at least I can make sure I am in key.

I know you don't have enough PA to do this but, this is what we usually do:

We usually side wash the guitar cabs (meaning we face them perpendicular to the audience) then mic them. This creates decent stage volume, at the same time, the mics present the rest of the sound to the audience. Usually the stage sound is as good, if not better than what the crowd hears. It's sometimes a juggling act to get the high end off the guitars this way, but all that means is you have to do a pretty good sound check before playing.

We believe that having great stage sound contributes to a good show.

 

[moodyedge]

Go with a 4x12 behind or beside you, either slanted or straight. Direct that 4x12 away from you. Then use a 1x12 or 2x12 in front of you for a personal monitor. I prefer the 1x12 because I can put my foot over it to quiet it down if it's too loud. I use my brother in law's Yamaha 1x12 8ohm wedge monitor hooked into the 4ohm tap of my roadster, then I hook an 8ohm 4x12 into the other 4ohm tap. The monitor has a volume pot on it so I can adjust to taste. It's not a perfect representation of what everyone else hears, but at least I can make sure I am in key.

I know you don't have enough PA to do this but, this is what we usually do:

We usually side wash the guitar cabs (meaning we face them perpendicular to the audience) then mic them. This creates decent stage volume, at the same time, the mics present the rest of the sound to the audience. Usually the stage sound is as good, if not better than what the crowd hears. It's sometimes a juggling act to get the high end off the guitars this way, but all that means is you have to do a pretty good sound check before playing.

We believe that having great stage sound contributes to a good show.

hmm it always seems to sound good on stage to me...but with a long lead going out from at sound check it sometimes sounds like ****....tinny bollox i say...no bottom end..which is partly the reason for getting a mesa to give the over all sound in the band more balls. The bigger pa will help a lot when we get it...but for any small ish gigs we weill be doing which isnt very often now as the gig scene here is cheezy chart type cover bands.....what we hav we will make the best of. Good idea with a 1x12 to monitor..maybe try that eventually.

in that case i maybe just look for the best condition slanted cab at the best price on ebay and go for that. it still wont be at my hears as small clubs and pubs have...well most dont even have stages so they just have a corner for bands to set up in so it will porb point at my back as you cant stand that far away in clubs and pubs anyway. Not that we can really play pubs etc anymnore anyway..we aint tried it but were doing heavy rock/metal covers from now on so the places that will allow that are very small..i can think of 1 club that has that kinda thing on but the usual pub circuit in tonw hav crappy cover bands that play chart crap and medeocre 60s/70s/80s rock covers plus indie chart crap.weve done it for 3 years and are moving on. Althought our sort of philosophy from the start was to play more obscure covers that other bands either couldnt or never play which has worked well for us.

 

[steve_k]

Personally, I go for straight cabs rather than angled. I don't like them spitting nails upwards at me!

Chances are, when playing live you will have your cab mic'd anyway to FOH, so it really doesn't matter too much, and you will be in the monitor mix to hear yourself when you wander off from in front of your amp.

Its just a matter of taste and personal preference. I have owned both and only use straights.

Steve

 

[Holy Diver]

I also have both and have found that on occasion, when playing in a (very) small venue and standing more or less directly in front of my cab, it is easier to hear myself when using the slant. I have found that, all things being equal, I have had to walk away from my cab to hear myself better when using the straight. This is usually only a problem in small venues where the guitars and bass are not mic'ed and therefore the onstage volume can be very loud. If you have a slant cab it won't be that you will be too loud in your own ears but audible, vs the bass in particular. For these situations earplugs are highly recommended also.

 

[konstantine RK]

there is one thing no one has touched on...the guy said he is 6-3 in height....Now I find that the smaller the stage the less you will hear of your tone...all the while some people are paying the price for your height and your ear...

I was kicked out of a band because of my loudness once... it was because my 4x12 was blaring out the singer and I could not balance the levels of the practice room. I was too cramped and close to the cab (a slant)

Use a slant, learn to use what you got and dont worry about "more wood resonance" in the straight cabs... Oncfe you get to the bigger stages you will be able to turn it up and have fun without worrying about blaring audience members off to the bar for a beer