A/B'ed the 50/50 with another power amp. Mesa wins!

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JT_Marshmallow

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My 50/50 just came this morning. I took it out of the box and noticed the fuse was completely pulverized. Replaced it with another 3 amp fuse I had and then hooked it up. I turned it on for about 30 seconds and realized that I forgot to put in the power tubes. WHOOPS! (I almost wet myself.) I put the tubes in and then turned it on and it worked...ha!

I compared it with my EL84-driven Peavey 50/50 and would have to say the Mesa squashes it. My setup for the test was Guitar > Studio Pre > Power amp > 1x12 cab. (When changing power amps I put them on standby and switched the speaker cable.) I had them both in 50 watt mode and had the volume level identical. I went back and forth several times and here's what I gathered:

- The Peavey is very muddy no matter what you do. EL84's are probably midrangey to begin with, but since my Ibanez JS-1000 and Studio Pre are both very very rich with mids, a muddy power amp isn't really the best thing to have in the chain.

- The Mesa really did have that Mesa tone: it was warm, round, and thick. A PERFECT match for the Studio Pre. Its got Mesa STR-430 power tubes in it which seem to be a great match for it.

- I like the Presence control a lot. I now prefer to cut out a lot of the highs on the Studio Pre's GEQ and then add those highs back in with the 50/50's Presence knob. The tone gets much rounder and warmer this way.

- I noticed that the Mesa has a moderate amount of mids at reasonable output levels, but the mids start to thicken up and become more prominent as you bring up the power amp's volume. If you want a very midrangey sound overall, you can dime the power amp's volume and control the overall volume with your preamp. I like how you can control the amp's mids like this, whereas the Peavey was muddy at any volume.

- I LOVE the low power switch. It kicks it down to 15 watts. You really hardly hear a volume difference, but you can hear it sort of "shrinks" the sound a bit. (Others call this "bringing down the headroom.") Since right now I'm just driving one 1x12 in my studio, the low power switch will remain on indefinitely. I get a much nicer chunky clip from the power amp when in low power mode. High power will probably only shine best if running at least one 4x12.


The guy who sold it to me said he bought it new in 1992. Would this have been the newer model modified for the Triaxis? Or the older design matched for the Studio Pre? It has a purple-ish power indicator light.
 
The newer ones are the 2:50, you've got a fifty/fifty if it says that. I'm pretty sure there were no major changes to the 50/50.
Also where did you get that the 50/50 was matched for the studio pre? I suppose this would make sense since the only other one was the 295/395 and that was a suggested match for the quad.
 
You seem to be enjoying your new gear.

The Mesa vs Peavey comparison is not really right because you're comparing EL84 vs 6L6 tubes. The EL84 has its applications and can very desirable for certain styles.

This is like comparing a Celestion Greenback to a Celestion Century. Both good speakers with their own applications. I sure as hell don't like the Greenbacks for the sound I'm looking for but some people swear by them.

A better comparison would have been a peavey 50/50 vs Mesa 20/20 because they use the same tubes.

Also, reading the Studio pre manual, it sure doesn't suggest the 50/50 as being the match for the studio. I don't think the 50/50 existed at the time but I digress.
 
The newer ones are the 2:50, you've got a fifty/fifty if it says that.

I know I have the 50/50. This is the "mod" I'm talking about:

http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Out_of _Production/50_50_Stereo/50_50_stereo.html

Also, reading the Studio pre manual, it sure doesn't suggest the 50/50 as being the match for the studio. I don't think the 50/50 existed at the time but I digress.

Well I don't know for sure either, but if you look here:

http://www.grailtone.com/guitar-tone-articles/mesa-boogie.html

You'll see that there were no stereo power amps before 1988. Some items aren't listed there, so I suspect the 50/50 came out at or around the time of the Studio/Quad. This leads me to believe that this was the power section designed and tested to match the Studio and/or Quad.

The Mesa vs Peavey comparison is not really right because you're comparing EL84 vs 6L6 tubes.

You're right, but the experiment was to test which power amp sounds best with the Studio Pre. (Sorry I should've mentioned that.) There were a few people asking about the 50/50 so I wanted to share my results. I know the Peavey uses EL84's and like I said they should naturally be more midrangey, but since the Studio is already dripping with mids I found the 50/50 to be a better balanced companion.
 
I have the same version you have, I like it a ton as well.
 
DMTransmutation said:
Also, reading the Studio pre manual, it sure doesn't suggest the 50/50 as being the match for the studio. I don't think the 50/50 existed at the time but I digress.

Well I don't know for sure either, but if you look here:

http://www.grailtone.com/guitar-tone-articles/mesa-boogie.html

You'll see that there were no stereo power amps before 1988. Some items aren't listed there, so I suspect the 50/50 came out at or around the time of the Studio/Quad. This leads me to believe that this was the power section designed and tested to match the Studio and/or Quad.


Whatever.... You're making assumptions and stating them as fact. That list you have on that link is not an exhaustive list of gear that Mesa manufactured, yet you use it to argue your point.

Straight from the Studio Manual: "NOTE: If you are using the Studio Preamp in conjunction with a "dedicated" power amp, we strongly
recommend the use of a high quality, all tube amplifier such as our Stereo Simul-Class 295, or the Strategy 400. Only then can you be assured of taking full advantage of the Preamp’s sound quality. "

Link to the manual:
http://www.mesaboogie.com/manuals/StudioPre.pdf
 

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