REISSUE Rumor: Mark IIC+ and 2ch Recto

[GJgo]

2: There's not a part in a Mark IIC+ that can't be reproduced exactly or replaced with a 100 percent good workable substitute.

Actually, I'd say there is. They can no longer use germanium and the replacements can't replicate the spec.

 

[frontline205]

Actually, I'd say there is. They can no longer use germanium and the replacements can't replicate the spec.

Perhaps Gibson managed to source some type of new old stock somewhere. I imagine there are place outside of america that sat on a stockpile of the parts and Gibson managed to aquire it and hand it over to mesa for this project.

 

[woodbutcher65]

What does germanium have to do with anything in this context? The Mark IIC+ doesn't use diodes for clipping. Or does it? I've never heard that. I've never seen it in the schematic.

 

[Jamme1961]

I just did a preorder from Sweetwater- they said first shipment coming in end of the month- we’ll see $3599 with 35 months financing

 

[soloistthree]

I just did a preorder from Sweetwater- they said first shipment coming in end of the month- we’ll see $3599 with 35 months financing

Yep, the doc I have says 11/12. I got mine for $3599 OTD from my smaller dealer

 

[frontline205]

I'm hearing that it's "limited", but not 200. That if it was 200 they would've sold out a long time ago.

 

[soloistthree]

I'm hearing that it's "limited", but not 200. That if it was 200 they would've sold out a long time ago.

I think so, seems like there is more than 200, but who knows for sure. Just glad I got one

 

[Filamentary]

1: Only the well heeled and well connected will EVER get a chance to buy one of these from Mesa. At the very minimum, I expect nobody who isn't at the level of a social media influencer to be given a chance to make a deposit for one. I'm a nobody, and will never be presented with that opportunity. But I would, today, if given the opportunity.

2: The notion that the run will be limited due to parts availability is nonsense. It'll be limited to keep prices up. There's not a part in a Mark IIC+ that can't be reproduced exactly or replaced with a 100 percent good workable substitute.

3: There's NO evidence, not a speck, that Gibson plans to send amp production overseas. Mesa was fortunate to be bought by Gibson, of all companies, because Gibson is far from perfect but at least understands the value of "American Made, World Played" and has been steadfast in its commitment to American manufacturing of Gibson guitars. It's a corporate value with Gibson and I don't expect them to allow Mesa amps to be outsourced. Not at any time in the foreseeable future. Mesa does very well by selling only a premium amp line, the cheapest of which is still 1300 or 1400 dollars. No other big name amp company has such an expensive overall product line, and yet Mesa is doing strong business.

I’ve heard it said that the lamination on the output transformers cannot be done in the same way as the originals due to regulatory restrictions. Supposedly that information came from Randall.

Is that a wives tale, or if not do you think it’s an insignificant point?

 

[soloistthree]

I’ve heard it said that the lamination on the output transformers cannot be done in the same way as the originals due to regulatory restrictions. Supposedly that information came from Randall.

Is that a wives tale, or if not do you think it’s an insignificant point?

I mean, lore is lore, there is likely to be something that cannot be done the same exact way ever again, however is this difference significant, and will it even be noticeable? My guess would be no. Hell, I have a Crab amps IIC++ that I got for $460 and I'd argue it sounds better than every IIC+ "mode" on any of my real boogies, and that thing uses toroidal transformers and a gyrator-based EQ

 

[rarebitusa]

Back in the day the components varied in tolerances and performance pretty accepted that the tone could vary between different amps with the same configuration. Petrucci has stated as much so I tend to believe him Looking forward to the discussion when it hits players studios. No doubt there is going to be yea/nay and alot of comments in between.

 

[soloistthree]

Back in the day the components varied in tolerances and performance pretty accepted that the tone could vary between different amps with the same configuration. Petrucci has stated as much so I tend to believe him Looking forward to the discussion when it hits players studios. No doubt there is going to be yea/nay and alot of comments in between.

Well, if that was the case, I suppose you should worry equally with every real 2C+ for sale. Are you going to get a good one, or a bad one, can't really know. Since I can't control any of that, I choose to just not worry about it. If a 0.0001% difference makes me hate the amp, then I probably should start looking at different amps

 

[rarebitusa]

Since I can't control any of that, I choose to just not worry about it

This is the sensible approach. Maybe there are some dawg IIC+s out there?? I dunno. Mine is an HR with a 100 transformer and it sounds truly amazing to my ears. It had the STR415s, but the new STR448s in there now sound most excellent.

 

[robvoyles]

What makes you think they would produce these outside the US?

Nothing, it was just a question.

 

[gardenofsound]

Per my Sweetwater rep it sounds like this isn't a limited run.

 

[frontline205]

Per my Sweetwater rep it sounds like this isn't a limited run.

I was hoping it would kind of be. My guy who doesn't want to be called out said that. They have the parts but not enough to make it a regular production like a JP2C.

 

[Filamentary]

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[Filamentary]

Nothing, it was just a question.

Fair enough. I think it would be a very strange decision for a company known for hand building premium amps in the USA. The brand strength is built on that.

Even more so any reissue of the C+. If one thing would be sure to tank the brand equity, it would be manufacturing a C+ reissue with cheap labour elsewhere. Not to mention that it would involve either establishing a manufacturing base (incurring time and cost) or outsourcing production completely to a third party (giving rise to even more questions around quality).

 

[woodbutcher65]

Once again, there hasn't been so much as a sniff of a rumor that Gibson plans to outsource Mesa amp production. Nor do I ever expect them to do that. Gibson is heavily invested in USA MADE WORLD PLAYED even when it can be argued that they could improve their QC by outsourcing to a premium Asian manufacturer, such as Ibanez' plant. Heck, they forced Mesa to build a run of "reissue" Gibson Falcon amps, which in my opinion was a waste of Mesa's resources and time. Those mediocre amps could have easily been built overseas or contracted to Fender's Mexican factory.

 

[Jamme1961]

Yep, the doc I have says 11/12. I got mine for $3599 OTD from my smaller dealer

Yea I needed the financing to try and afford this amp - can’t wait to get one

 

[bandit2013]

Why can't they use Germanium when everyone else can? China placed a ban on export of Gallium and Germanium based products, does not mean it is a ban worldwide. Those two elements are primary for silicon chips. It is just BS. Other countries can produce products with those elements. China has placed a ban on export of all rare earth metals. Has nothing to do with EPA but more so with military use. Those elements are not included in the ROHS directive. If things go sour as they are looking to do so, they will be classified as conflict minerals just like copper, silver and gold.