EL34 loaded DR differs from a Stiletto how?

[Southernhell]

I looked through the threads and did not notice a topic like this.

I am wondering how a Dual Rectifier(for the sake of argument, one of the 3 channel versions) loaded with EL34's compares and/or differs from a Stiletto Deuce(this is the 100 watt version correct?).

Is the real difference in the tone stack between the two? I am just wondering.

Also for sake of argument, both amps would be played through a Marshall 1960 A & B cabinets loaded with Eminence Texas Heats(Yes, I had to throw that monkey wrench in there.)

 

[disassembled]

Completely different preamp. The preamp is what makes the tone of Mesa amps with the power tubes just enhancing and of course amplifying it. For instance, you can run a preamp into your recto (triaxis, JMP-1, etc) and it will sound like a completely different amp.

This is not to say you can't get close in some respects but if all it took was a simple tube change to make your amp into a completely different one all of us would only own 1 amp and a whole bunch of tubes



Greg

 

[Mr. Stiletto]

+1 Totally different amps!

I'd say a Recto with EL34 sounds still like a recto. That "trademark rectosound" is still there (=> it comes from the preamp).

A Stiletto sounds IMO not anything like a recto.

 

[Pyro]

This is a good thing though. Because putting EL34's in you're recto will give you a NEW tone thats a little bit differant. I think it would be a bit boring if the Recto could sound like the stiletto with just a valve change

 

[dos]

How will it be different though? More like a Marshall-like sound or voicing?

I really like the attack, the tone/voicing of the DR with JJ preamp and 6L6 tubes but I am wondering what EL34s would do beyond potentially making it tighter. Never liked Marshalls - in particular the attack.

I'm using a Boss GT-8 in front of my 3 channel DR to boost and shape/EQ the signal so it is pretty tight already I think.

Curious.

 

[Pyro]

I have never tried it with the recto but i changed my Laney GH from 6L6's to EL34's and makes the sound less "In your face" and makes single note applications (as mesa put it) smoother.

I assume its the same for the Recto. Infact i wish i had tried it with the recto.

You should give it a go. Whats the worst that can happen?.........you dont like them and go back to 6L6's

 

[danvortex]

I play metal, pretty heavy stuff, I own 2 Dr (R11750 and R406) and since i tried playing them with EL34 i never went back to 6L6. I also use an OD in front. For rythm work EL34 is the way to go (if you play metal) but for leads i prefer 6L6.

 

[Southernhell]

Thanks for the answers so far. But, I guess what I was trying to ask was what is the real difference between the two amps? Aside from the obvious channel switching, recitifier switching etc... I am just talking the base amp itself.

I know that the Stilettos is voice to be closer to Marshall-esque type vibe, than the DR, but how exactly? The tone stack itself or what? I do not have schematics of a Stiletto to compare them to the ones I have of a Dual Rec and the Marshall schematics I have to compare them all to see how the circuits are created.