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True. The OP will need to isolate the one(s) he's interested in.

Maybe they could enter a licensing agreement with MojoTone and let them sell it as a kit. Then Mojo could source the parts, Gibson could simply collect rent. ;-)

Gibson would have the leather jacket made in China :cool:

I thought a Mark V25 would be able to replace an F50. Almost, but no. 2-EL84s can't sound like 2-6L6s.

Is it just me, or is the Mark IV channel more open/less compressed than the IIC+ ? It sounds like it breathes more, if that makes sense.

Parted with an MIJ Strat in the late 80s. Such an idiot.. it probably just needed at proper setup and a tweak to the pickup heights.

@playingitloud ... Been playing the Mark V25 again lately, and now no pops at all. I keep it on standby for 30 seconds after turning the power on, and then back to standby again before turning the power off. All quiet on the Mesa front. No new tubes needed!

Most speaker companies list the sensitivity of their products, ie dB at 1m powered by 1W. Mesa lists the C90 at 99 dB. You want something higher, like an Eminence Swamp Thang at 102 dB. The EVM12L spec lists a sensitivity of 100 dB.

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Agreed. It would be nice if the industry just adopted W = (Vrms)^2 / R, where Vrms = 0.707 Vac, and Vac is measured at the onset of clipping. I've seen that standard in a few audio texts.

Eminence makes some choice speakers, and the Texas Heat is sure one of them. You won't know till you try tho. And it's an efficient one too, so things may get louder!

I'll let you know. Have been playing a little 5 watt lately, haven't got around to swapping out tubes in the Mark V25.

Lol. Good call on the marketing lore.

So now not even an original IIC+ sounds like an original IIC+, only some of them do? Only a chosen few with magic pixie dust sprinkled across the circuitry? Great. Makes good marketing material I suppose.

It will sound different, mostly because our hearing is not what it was 40 years ago. :cool:

You don't argue any of his points, you just tell him to shut up because you somehow know better. Now that's a hit and run. Play nice or play somewhere else, OK? No one's bowing down to your authority here.

On the other hand, you could put two IIC+ in a room together, and with a few decades of component drift in the resistors and caps, even they wouldn't sound the same at this point. So any comparison between a IIC+ and the Mark V version of it rather begs the question of which IIC+ you're using...

This is my thought as well. Marshall and Fender do a brisk business selling reissues. Vox just keeps pumping out AC15s and AC30s. My issue with the Mark V, and now the Mark VII, is that it only gives a slice of the IIC+. Given its holy grail status, I'd wager the a reissue would do well. Hey...

What do you think?

I think you're right about the Lone Star clean circuit finding it's way into other Mesa amps. I believe the FAT clean on the Mark V is one example.